Ask HN: Verbally abusive employer, what do I do?
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Re: Ask HN: Verbally abusive employer, what do I do?
#22We didn't have cell phones back then that could record audio easily so I bought a micro-cassette recorder, started wearing hoodies and turned it on before entering his office (he never did it in front of others). This way I could toss it in the front pocket. I carried a notebook in front of me so he didn't see it. I got him on tape a few times being unprofessional. With this the owners had no choice but to deal with the situation and as an apology the "boss" was removed but forced to say why and apologize at a company wide meeting and my tapes were also played at that meeting.
I imagine now-a-days, this may not work but phones can record easily now.
Edit: re-arrange for better clarity.
Re: Ask HN: Verbally abusive employer, what do I do?
#23This happened to me with a boss I had back in 1999. The company was family owned (at the top layers). I tried talking to them, they said they would handle it. It didn't stop. We didn't have cell phones back then that could record audio easily so I bought a micro-cassette recorder, started wearing hoodies and turned it on before entering his office (he never did it in front of others). This way I could toss it in the…
Re: Ask HN: Verbally abusive employer, what do I do?
#24This happened to me with a boss I had back in 1999. The company was family owned (at the top layers). I tried talking to them, they said they would handle it. It didn't stop. We didn't have cell phones back then that could record audio easily so I bought a micro-cassette recorder, started wearing hoodies and turned it on before entering his office (he never did it in front of others). This way I could toss it in the…
Make sure if you do this that your state / province has one party recording laws. Some states only allow recording if all parties to the conversation have consented.
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#27You can refuse overtime in Canada unless you signed some work contract that says you agree to work overtime, ergo you need a real employment lawyer to go over your case. A real employment lawyer is somebody attached to an actual firm specializing in employment law and not the first search results in google, which if you check their name will also be the 'experts' in injury law, a bunch of other spam ads. All you need is a half hour call with them and possibly emailing them your work contract documentation if any exists. Of course they will tell you to start documenting everything like the rest of the comments here suggest.
As for planning an escape if your market is bad then recruiters have an even worse time, so find one and get them to help you. Establish yourself in remote freelance outfits like TopTal, CleverTech, or even Salesforce who hire all over Canada. Then ask your employment lawyer what to do, don't just quit maybe you need to file harassment paperwork first or bait them into firing you by refusing overtime.
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#29https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei/ei-regular-ben...
It says the following:
You may not be entitled for benefits:
if you voluntarily left your job without just cause
Just document when your boss berates you and then use that as cause with the Unemployment office. That will give you more time to look for a job. Maybe you can contact them and explain your case.
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#30The first question I usually ask in situations such as this is: How much do you have saved up that you can live off of? the game theory will look different if you have a few $$ to lean on vs 0 dollars saved and kids to feed.
I have about $1000 saved, which won't pay the rent ($450 shy of the 1mo rent payment).
In life, unless you can learn to put away a huge pile of cash, people are just going to walk all over you. When you are vulnerable, it sends a signal and they pounce on it. Your boss will stop abusing you the moment he realizes he can't use it to control you anymore.
Save your money. Pick up new skills. Become less dependent on others. Bike instead of driving. Cook all of your own meals. Learn about investing. Get out of debt. Maintain your own vehicles. Plant a garden.
Take literally any step to make yourself more independent and your boss will lose power.