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China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining

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Re: China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining

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I wonder if bitcoin will try to go the Ethereum route and move to proof of stake [1] instead of proof of work. [1] https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/Proof-of-Stake-FAQ

It wouldn't be bitcoin anymore then... Being able to grandfather in the whole transaction log after rolling out a new system runs counter to the principle.

Fine by me, if it makes people want to switch to other proof of stake networks. Who cares about a name when we all know we need to use drastically less energy?

Re: China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should Fiat money use more energy than global bitcoin adaption? Bitcoin already used as much energy as medium-sized countries (I believe it was as much as Ireland last year or the year before) and nearly no one uses it for daily payments. Compared to that, I'm not aware that the Swift Network or Visa/Mastercard would run whole power plants to support their energy needs. They just need a medium sized data center t…

>Why should Fiat money use more energy than global bitcoin adaption? The problem was the original poster in this thread setting up the strawman that bitcoin is for every single transaction (or even a decent fraction of them). But to answer your direct question: because the security and processing of it's transactions depends on the security of a nation state. That nation state's security stems from the military among…

Transactions that indirectly depend on bitcoin also increase its price, and cause more energy to be burned on mining. If bitcoin starts to secure any notable fraction of business it will cost much more than the amount of army needed to keep a currency stable.

Re: China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining

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Good. There are few things more wasteful in energy and minimal in doing good for the world. Widespread bitcoin adoption would be catastrophic for the Earth and climate change efforts [1]. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0321-8

Why don't people rail like this against the aluminum industry? It's just as wasteful. Bitcoin provides substantial utility and value to society, the energy to secure bitcoin is a cost just the same as the energy to smelt aluminum.

> Bitcoin provides substantial utility and value to society

Do you have any proof of this dubious statement?

Re: China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining

#64

I wonder if bitcoin will try to go the Ethereum route and move to proof of stake [1] instead of proof of work. [1] https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/Proof-of-Stake-FAQ

It wouldn't be bitcoin anymore then... Being able to grandfather in the whole transaction log after rolling out a new system runs counter to the principle.

> Being able to grandfather in the whole transaction log after rolling out a new system runs counter to the principle.

Counter to what principle? I don't think that's right.

Bitcoin has changed the protocol multiple times, too.

Re: China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining

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Good. There are few things more wasteful in energy and minimal in doing good for the world. Widespread bitcoin adoption would be catastrophic for the Earth and climate change efforts [1]. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0321-8

Why don't people rail like this against the aluminum industry? It's just as wasteful. Bitcoin provides substantial utility and value to society, the energy to secure bitcoin is a cost just the same as the energy to smelt aluminum.

Aluminum is infinitely more useful than bitcoin.

Re: China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks run green. They only require lights in the building, the building, the branches, and the atms, the employee's cars, the oil deals financed, and the wars financed.

Same can be said about the Bitcoin exchanges. Minus the wars maybe but including the drug cartels.

What drug cartel runs on Bitcoin? I thought it was US Dollar.

Re: China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining

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Good. There are few things more wasteful in energy and minimal in doing good for the world. Widespread bitcoin adoption would be catastrophic for the Earth and climate change efforts [1]. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0321-8

there are few things on this planet that are less wasteful and more useful/important for our civilization than bitcoin. it's the first time in history we've been able to express and implement monetary value and security thereof in terms of pure energy without any middlemen.

Re: China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining

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From an energy-consumption standpoint, I'm not too surprised at this. They have better uses for their mostly-non-renewable power generation. This will probably continue the push towards bitcoin mining in places with stable renewables (like hydro and geothermal). That being said, I just found https://www.coindesk.com/norway-ends-power-tax-subsidy-for-b... , which makes me wonder if current prices would be able to supp…

mining bitcoin with renewables is still a waste. You are now wasting renewable energy instead of nonrenewable energy. Both which despite the wording are limited.
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