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Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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Labor has become more expensive than parts, for many aspects of home repair. We haven't adapted our habits to this. The last time I let my university landlord paint my apartment, it took days to clear the furniture, and I was instructed to do no paint prep. There were peels coming down from the ceiling. The painters exploited this "paint is glue" theory by painting under the peels and pushing them flat. I channeled m…

Ballpark estimate by somebody who operates in the paint industry and has done so for almost fifteen years (albeit what is for you likely a foreign country: Italy). Industry associations estimate that the cost of materiel amounts to between 20% and 30% of the total cost experienced by the homeowner, depending on various factors (interior/exterior, type of finish desired, & cetera ). So roughly three quarters of your “…

> cash-strapped homeowners desperate enough to “Damage It Yourself”

I find it a sad statement that one suggests the primary reason for DIY is out of desperation - surely I am not alone in doing many home and auto maintenance tasks myself out of primarily the enjoyment and satisfaction of learning and executing a new skill? Sure, /r/DIWhy is full of examples of ill-advised and unsafe DIY attempts, typically in electrical, plumbing, and deck-laying, but that doesn't mean that we should discourage people from learning the basics of low-risk home maintenance such as painting, tiling, flooring, etc. On the contrary I believe the reward one feels from accomplishing such tasks oneself and with the help of friends or family can have a powerful positive emotional effect on society.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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Labor has become more expensive than parts, for many aspects of home repair. We haven't adapted our habits to this. The last time I let my university landlord paint my apartment, it took days to clear the furniture, and I was instructed to do no paint prep. There were peels coming down from the ceiling. The painters exploited this "paint is glue" theory by painting under the peels and pushing them flat. I channeled m…

When you are painting cinderblock it's a lot easier.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

#83
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I didn't downvote, but your comment comes across as dismissive of the subject because it isn't directly related to digital tech.

To clarify, the smiley makes condescending.

Really? It was not the intention. I just found it odd to be on the top of HN, so I assumed it to have a deeper meaning which I still find funny.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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post #45

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Thanks for the link instead of a downvote, never seen this post.

I didn't downvote, but your comment comes across as dismissive of the subject because it isn't directly related to digital tech.

Ignorant at best ;) It's nice to let to learn about other viewpoints though.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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post #81
post #53

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Ballpark estimate by somebody who operates in the paint industry and has done so for almost fifteen years (albeit what is for you likely a foreign country: Italy). Industry associations estimate that the cost of materiel amounts to between 20% and 30% of the total cost experienced by the homeowner, depending on various factors (interior/exterior, type of finish desired, & cetera ). So roughly three quarters of your “…

> cash-strapped homeowners desperate enough to “Damage It Yourself” I find it a sad statement that one suggests the primary reason for DIY is out of desperation - surely I am not alone in doing many home and auto maintenance tasks myself out of primarily the enjoyment and satisfaction of learning and executing a new skill? Sure, /r/DIWhy is full of examples of ill-advised and unsafe DIY attempts, typically in electri…

In addition to the educational and satisfaction benefits (which I also agree with), I look at it this way: my standard of living is better because I do everything myself. What others spend on hiring painters, movers, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, auto mechanics, I save, and it allows me to live like someone who makes quite a bit more than I do. I’ve got a modest tech salary, and wouldn’t call myself desperate or cash strapped—just frugal and keen to optimize every penny.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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post #81

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> cash-strapped homeowners desperate enough to “Damage It Yourself” I find it a sad statement that one suggests the primary reason for DIY is out of desperation - surely I am not alone in doing many home and auto maintenance tasks myself out of primarily the enjoyment and satisfaction of learning and executing a new skill? Sure, /r/DIWhy is full of examples of ill-advised and unsafe DIY attempts, typically in electri…

In addition to the educational and satisfaction benefits (which I also agree with), I look at it this way: my standard of living is better because I do everything myself. What others spend on hiring painters, movers, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, auto mechanics, I save, and it allows me to live like someone who makes quite a bit more than I do. I’ve got a modest tech salary, and wouldn’t call myself desperate o…

> to live like someone who makes quite a bit more than I do

That's kind of misleading, because it ignores the value of your labor. You work more hours, and you get a lifestyle improvement that can be measured in dollars. You're not preventing costs, you're changing how you pay.

If that's optimal in your specific case then great! But it's easy to imagine a person where it's not optimal at all. If Bob saves $X for every hour he spends on his house, and Bob makes $3X at his job, and he's equally happy doing either kind of labor, then Bob is a fool to do multi-hour household jobs himself.

Using time to save dollars is a tool, one that can be used or misused. You want to optimize lifestyle vs. effort, not lifestyle vs. nominal salary.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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https://artmyn.com/categories/paintings/

Extremely interesting, thank you! But my point still stands. Consider this image in ultra high definition: https://artmyn.com/partners/sothebys-newyork/Michele_Mariesc... If you drag the image around, you notice that the water has different highlight points at different angles. If you would stand in front of this painting, your natural body movement (of even a tree before the window) would constantly change the light…

I wonder how well this sensation would be conveyed by viewing a lightfield capture in VR? This is meant to be the sort of thing that that's good for.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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post #60

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The texture of oil on canvas is extraordinarily complex and subtle. You would need billions of pixels and polygons and trillions of rays to even begin to capture the heavy impasto of Van Gogh or the coarse diffusion of Bacon.

> You would need billions of pixels and polygons and trillions of rays So give it 5 years, and you'll have it on your phone... If there's one thing I've learned over the decades about computer technology, it's to never say "impossible" or "never"... Eventually, what you once might have thought to be only in the realm of "big and expensive" inevitably becomes "cheap and commodity" in a far shorter time than you expect…

Plus you can prerender 99% of the lighting.

Or even just take ten million photos from almost the same spot, presenting the one that matches the user's subtle movements.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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post #81

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> cash-strapped homeowners desperate enough to “Damage It Yourself” I find it a sad statement that one suggests the primary reason for DIY is out of desperation - surely I am not alone in doing many home and auto maintenance tasks myself out of primarily the enjoyment and satisfaction of learning and executing a new skill? Sure, /r/DIWhy is full of examples of ill-advised and unsafe DIY attempts, typically in electri…

In addition to the educational and satisfaction benefits (which I also agree with), I look at it this way: my standard of living is better because I do everything myself. What others spend on hiring painters, movers, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, auto mechanics, I save, and it allows me to live like someone who makes quite a bit more than I do. I’ve got a modest tech salary, and wouldn’t call myself desperate o…

If you've got the necessary talent and skill, and you've done your homework, then you're better off with DIY.

But few have the talent.

And that skill usually comes from making mistakes and screwing stuff up on a previous job.

And very few people are willing and able to do the homework.

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