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It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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What would you recommend instead?

DDG has become my first stop. It gets me what I need 90% of the time.

I found the opposite. I started using DDG when I moved to Brave but after a month, I found I would go to DDG, search page after page and get frustrated and open google and have my result on page one or two.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Part of the problem is that their algorithm has become weighted against blogs and personal websites. > Rumors spread that large link pages (for surfing) might be considered “link farms” (and yes on SEO sites they were but these things eventually trickle down to little personal site webmasters too) so these started to be phased out. Then the worry was Blogrolls might be considered link farms so they slowly started to…

You're jumping from describing observable results to a state of mind or motive which you can't observe. > Then the worry was Blogrolls might be considered link farms so they slowly started to be phased out. Then the biggie: when Google deliberately filtered out all the free hosted sites from the SERP’s... That's all observable fact. Why? Because they were taking up space in the first 20 organic returns knocking out c…

I wish they would filter out Pinterest by default (instead of adding -pinterest), they're worse than old Blogrolls.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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It should better develop an algorithm to forget (deprioritize) old posts on subjects in which old posts actually are irrelevant. I.e. tutorials on old versions of actively-evolving technologies, top-10-best-mobile-apps-for-something posts from past years etc.

Tutorials on old versions of software are not universally irrelevant. Sometimes, for some people, they are invaluable. I know such tutorials have been godsends to me before.

"Relevancy" is very context-dependent. I don't see how a human can accurately determine it for others, let alone algorithms.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Upwards of five years, actually. It was already declining when they decided to fuck the +WORD operator for their Facebook ripoff.

So you're also saying ever since Hummingbird [0], Google search hasn't been the same. I agree. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Hummingbird

I asked Jeeve's about this, he picked up a Magic 8 Ball and it said, "not so good".

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Bray writes that: “I think Google has stopped in­dex­ing the old­er parts of the We­b. I think I can prove it. Google’s com­pe­ti­tion is do­ing bet­ter.” Those who forget the past are doomed...to be marketed to again. As Vernor Vinge noted (he popularized the notion of "The Singularity") not indexing something basically amounts to erasing it from the awareness of the majority. If you can control the past, you can co…

It's literally impossible, and it was never true in humankind history.

If it's literally impossible, then we're doomed. Being able to choose what to index is can literally be used to censor reality for most of the population.

it was never true in humankind history.

Basically everyone using search was never true in humankind's history.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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This author is in his own little bubble and doesn't understand the vast amount of blog-repost spam that google has to deal with. The way their algorithm most likely deals with this is a mixture of domain rank + tenure... how long has this copy of this article existed on this domain, and can we be sure this is the original copy? The author says the article was removed in 2006 (" [...] posts, were not accessible anymor…

Here is an example: http://www.gnoosic.com/discussion/metallica__5.html No matter how you search for the content on Google, nothing comes up: https://www.google.com/search?q="Metallica+only+played+2+son... DuckDuckGo has it: https://duckduckgo.com/?q="Metallica+only+played+2+songs+fro... I checked the wayback machine and the content has constantly been on that url for over 10 years. This is the first example of an ol…

Thanks a lot for the example!

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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It's on Yandex. https://www.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=Metallica%20only%20pla...

Not showing up here. Not even if I add quotes.

I tried with quotes and it doesn't show up, ironically. It must be without quotes.

It forced my to solve a bunch of CAPTCHAS too.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Here is an example: http://www.gnoosic.com/discussion/metallica__5.html No matter how you search for the content on Google, nothing comes up: https://www.google.com/search?q="Metallica+only+played+2+son... DuckDuckGo has it: https://duckduckgo.com/?q="Metallica+only+played+2+songs+fro... I checked the wayback machine and the content has constantly been on that url for over 10 years. This is the first example of an ol…

Anecdotally and perhaps unrelated - has anyone else noticed a decrease in the accuracy and general quality of Google search over the past 2-4 months? They've had to have been utilizing ML to 'improve' searches for some time now, but the quality of the results has decreased suddenly and inexplicably (for me).

Personally, my impression is that since at least ~1-4 years, the google searches return less exact matches especially when I search for an exact match of an error message, or multiple exact matches involving the same error message (when I start to become desperate I usually tend to split the error into 2 parts...).

On the other hand the non-exact hits that it returns push me from time to time in the right direction.

Having said this, I don't know of course if A) I'm too old (40) and the mindset of the younger search-people has now changed and/or B) Google just doesn't index tech forums as much as it used to and/or C) there are just fewer forum-posts and/or D) my problems became more complex (don't think so) and/or etc... .

I tried (and still try from time to time) to use DDG and Bing but without success.

Does anybody else have the same impression?

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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When searching Google for simple words that should return a lot of content the results are limited to around 20 pages. If I click the link to not omit similar results it changes to around 45. The results don't cover every company in a specialist area or every good article on a topic, what's more after you go back a number of pages the results start turning into junk. That seems unnecessarily harsh on any relevant site that isn't a "top site". The x-billion results returned number is still at the top from the days when you could search through a seemingly infinite number of pages.
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