Live data from Hacker News

The US says Chinese spies are targeting Boston for its tech secrets

inkstonenews.com

41–50 of 89 posts

Re: The US says Chinese spies are targeting Boston for its tech secrets

#41

I live in an area with a lot of newly arrived Chinese grad students. Not generalizing but many of the WiFi ssids I see are : chinanumbaone , df26(one day I realized this is carrier killer missile)

Reminds me of "I'm not really racist, but ...".

P.S. The first one is a meme in gaming community -- search the term you will see what it is.

Re: The US says Chinese spies are targeting Boston for its tech secrets

#42
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And?

They can’t be trusted? Chinese news is a farce.

OP and an editor of Inkstone here. Surely I don't think what we do is farcical. Happy to answer any questions you have of our work.

Re: The US says Chinese spies are targeting Boston for its tech secrets

#43
post #33
post #10

Kind of puts getting recruiting emails from Huawei about their imminent Boston office opening in a new light. Just seeing their executives get charged with international crimes is enough to avoid replying.

I wouldn't want to work for a corp that doesn't have the right political muscle to avoid the charges. Halliburton, Exxon, Boeing, HSBC, etc, won't be charged.

Yep. Huawei didn't do anything except probably insert spyware on their devices, and they're being charged with crimes. Boeing killed hundreds of people through criminal negligence, but I'm sure we won't see any executives there charged with crimes in the US.

Re: The US says Chinese spies are targeting Boston for its tech secrets

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All innovation starts with copying what came before. This is why liberal IP laws are so important to innovation. HN readers seem to understand this basic point quite well unless China is involved.

Except China as a state isn't our ally or friend. Their interests lie primarily in furthering their own political and military power, and secondarily benefiting their own population. They're more than eager to steal technology, then use that new-found knowledge and ability combined with massive government subsidies to drown out foreign competitors locally and abroad.

>Their interests lie primarily in furthering their own political and military power, and secondarily benefiting their own population.

How exactly is that different from the US? I don't see US politicians in power trying to do things to benefit their own population, such as by providing universal healthcare.

Re: The US says Chinese spies are targeting Boston for its tech secrets

#46

Inkstone News, owned by the South China Morning Post, which is owned by Alibaba Group writes an article about what a US official says. Hmmm...

Yup. An article is only on part of any media campaign. I think it also safe to assume this HN discussion is being cataloged, if not actively manipulated, by those who created this article.

I created the article! Trust me when I say I'm not cataloging this discussion or actively manipulating it.

(EDIT: deleted "with my colleagues" because another commenter says it sounds like something other than reporters working with editors to put out an article.)

Re: The US says Chinese spies are targeting Boston for its tech secrets

#47

China has some areas where they innovate, but they primarily excel at copying .

This is absolutely traditional for every country, though?

Samuel Slater brought the Industrial Revolution to America by memorizing the banned-for-export designs of water-powered spinning machines. The Brits nicknamed him "Slater the Traitor" for his trouble, but within a generation new industrial technology was being developed in the US off that basis.

British porcelain production in the 18th century was driven by the letters of a missionary in China, who secretly observed the details of Chinese production and sent them back to Europe. Mistakes in replicating that process lead to "bone china", the strongest and purest-white form of porcelain known.

Stirrups, famously (and debatably) a formative element of medieval warfare, originated in the caucasus. The Byzantines captured some of them in a war with the Avars, and within two centuries they were widespread across Europe. An invention that was at the time fueling mounted archery in Asia was combined with European iron reserves and metallurgy to (re)invent armored heavy cavalry.

Everyone excels at copying. It's much easier than inventing! That doesn't mean they won't invent further once they've caught up in a specific space.

And yes, it's possible to build infrastructure and education better suited to copying than inventing. That's not terribly surprising, and in fact downright sensible. Following WWII, both the PRC and the USSR focused heavily on replicating American nuclear and industrial developments, because they needed to not only obtain that technology but build up a core of technical talent capable of maintaining and modifying it. That didn't stop the USSR from later pursuing their own R&D to compete with projected American advances, and there's no good reason to think China won't switch to a heavier R&D footing in 10 or 20 years as current copies become widely used and understood.

Re: The US says Chinese spies are targeting Boston for its tech secrets

#48
post #22

The problem with these efforts is that the FBI often does not consult with technical experts before indicting Chinese nationals and have resulted in a number of false cases that have damaged the reputation of regular Chinese Americans. The rate at which Asians are falsely accused are twice those of other races[1] [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/study-suggests-as... https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/us…

Surely the FBI should be held to account when they make mistakes or behave unfairly, but it seems absurd that they shouldn't consider connections to China when looking for Chinese espionage.

Re: The US says Chinese spies are targeting Boston for its tech secrets

#49
post #5

This is nothing new. The defense contractors working with the university have clear rules on how and what they can share with which people.

What's new is perhaps the China Initiative, something that the US Department of Justice announced late last year to focus on curbing Chinese economic espionage. Now the leader of this initiative has named Boston as a "target-rich environment."

Here's an official factsheet (PDF): https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/file/1107256/download

Re: The US says Chinese spies are targeting Boston for its tech secrets

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. An article is only on part of any media campaign. I think it also safe to assume this HN discussion is being cataloged, if not actively manipulated, by those who created this article.

I created the article! Trust me when I say I'm not cataloging this discussion or actively manipulating it. (EDIT: deleted "with my colleagues" because another commenter says it sounds like something other than reporters working with editors to put out an article.)

>I'm not cataloging this discussion or actively manipulating it...

???

You just did.

I know that likely read like I was trying to be snarky, but I wasn't.

Post reply on HN