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Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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post #97

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4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom in (at least) some quarters of the Internet as is possible. Such freedom seems so essential to Internet culture that, in my opinion, it must be protected.

> 4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom ... Can you provide an example of something valuable you found on 4chan/8chan that could not be found on a site with less "vileness"?

Political arguments that differ from the mainstream and that could only happen on a platform which is both anonymous and has a hands off approach to moderation and monetisation.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#102
post #9

Good. Piracy must be eradicated if culture is to survive.

You're so short-sighted it's amazing. We've seen numerous times how things lacking copies are lost to time, Doctor Who is probably the most prominent example, had people pirated it, we might still have something that has a big cultural value.

Piracy is also the only way a lot of us can get access to content, georestrictions are a huge annoyance for far too many of us literally no way to get paid access for years and years and years. That's not fair treatment.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#103
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom in (at least) some quarters of the Internet as is possible. Such freedom seems so essential to Internet culture that, in my opinion, it must be protected.

> 4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom ... Can you provide an example of something valuable you found on 4chan/8chan that could not be found on a site with less "vileness"?

Some people find vileness valuable, and since it's completely subjective, they should have a place to participate in it unfettered and undeterred.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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It's a natural movement of power between older and newer generations. As power transfers, the recipients change strategies from attack to defend.

that makes it sound far more inevitable than it really is.

It sure looks inevitable.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom in (at least) some quarters of the Internet as is possible. Such freedom seems so essential to Internet culture that, in my opinion, it must be protected.

> 4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom ... Can you provide an example of something valuable you found on 4chan/8chan that could not be found on a site with less "vileness"?

The thing about 4chan is that it's got a shitton of boards, and those boards are like kind of like, say, subreddits - they're pretty self-contained and have distinct communities. So, say, you have places like /pol/, but you also have places like /tg/, the "traditional games" forum (i.e. Magic enthusiasts and RPG players) which turned into a bubbling hub of creativity and collaborative storytelling. (and shitposting.) 4chan was abrasive everywhere, but it's hardly vile everywhere.

The experience I found on 4chan is pretty unique, and I don't know how well I can describe it, but I'm really glad that there was somewhere like it.

That said, 4chan's culture definitely started to decline around 2014~2015ish, around the time of Gamergate and the Trump campaign. Whenever 4chan's "hub of vileness" reputation starts getting really public in the news, the result is that a bunch of new people who think "hey, that sounds like exactly my jam!" start flooding in. And those two events both drew a huge amount of attention to 4chan, and not the kind of attention that brings good people. (It didn't help that a huge chunk of the old userbase fled around the time of Gamergate due to controversies about it on the site itself.) /pol/ was always a little leaky, but it started to get a lot worse around that time. Not to mention that /tg/ itself was already on the decline because of the positive reputation it had gained elsewhere on the Internet as various stories originally found on it were posted elsewhere, and so it increasingly became full of people who wanted to hear those kinds of stories but weren't actually RPG players themselves. There's a lot less positive to recommend the site these days, and a lot more negative.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#106
post #52

It seems like rights holders have realized that carpet bombing is a cheap and "effective" strategy. There are reports ( https://youtu.be/JwG0bQ7WC3c ) of music copyright holders reporting the use of even a single chord in YouTube videos. This strategy appears to be having a chilling effect across multiple platforms. Copyright claims are super easy to make at scale, but the platforms themselves cannot investigate at s…

This seems like a direct knock on effect of the ridiculous asymmetry in legal liability. Due to the draconian way the DMCA works all the content platforms have their own informal process. The informal process involves no liability for a false claim so as a result you get this mass claiming. Here's a fun point though - the DMCA is draconian partly because platforms like Youtube enabled mass piracy in order to capture…

The DMCA was passed in 1998, how is a company established in 2005 responsible for the law being draconian? Not even Napster was around in time to influence the DMCA.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#107

Not just about piracy but.. This is the usual pattern in online discussion platforms. Start free, advocate for free speech, then figure out you need to make money and you suddenly stop being a rebel and sink down to be the corporate sellout you always preached against. Reddit will eventually be replaced by something else and the cycle continues.

I don't know, it seems like platforms have learned to adapt without causing mass emigration. Basically, their shittiness to their userbase has to be gradual at a rate that they gain new users faster than they lose old ones.

And the turn to being shitty is often caused by the need to appease investors as you go for your next round of funding. But it seems that the patronage model is now offering substantial pro-consumer alternatives to the VC-backed model (growth at all costs, choke all competition with deep pockets).

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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that makes it sound far more inevitable than it really is.

It sure looks inevitable.

given that every corporate player gets displaced by another one that operates with the same incentives and structures, and plays by the same rules.

as a counterexample: in this case, r/piracy (and reddit more generally) could (in theory, and increasingly in practice) be replaced by p2p tech, which would simply not be controllable, nor have any incentive to appease advertisers.

a different example: you could say the same about healthcare providers. a medical startup could displace an established provider, then turn around and push the same rent extraction BS on their customers. Socialized healthcare (while it has its own problems for sure) will not follow the same rules.

Read: if something seems sucky yet inevitable, you're probably not questioning enough of your assumptions.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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post #101
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom ... Can you provide an example of something valuable you found on 4chan/8chan that could not be found on a site with less "vileness"?

Political arguments that differ from the mainstream and that could only happen on a platform which is both anonymous and has a hands off approach to moderation and monetisation.

> Political arguments that differ from the mainstream

That is a polite way of describing anti-Semitism and conspiracy theories such as Q-Anon.

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