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Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Post by kickscondor »

bopbop wrote: post #33
kickscondor wrote: post #17

While it's become impossible to browse the wider Web with Google, it's getting a bit easier elsewhere. A few helpful search engines: * https://millionshort.com/ * https://wiby.me/ * https://pinboard.in/search/ A recent movement to build personal Yahoo!-style directories: * https://href.cool/ (my own project) * https://indieseek.xyz/ * https://districts.neocities.org/ * https://the.dailywebthing.com/ The above resourc…

How do I get updates on the groups project? Wiby seems amazing - the first three surprise me links were a human powered ornithopter, lego maniacs and a guide to knife throwing. Thank you for sharing!

The group mostly converses on micro.blog. I cover the various conversations and new discoveries on my site (kickscondor.com). Do you just want to follow along? Or do you have some ideas to share?

This is a very new group that has sprung up in the last few months.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Post by poizan42 »

hartator wrote: post #35

Worth noting that was an de-indexing bug this weekend affecting all Google servers and a lot of pages. Might be just that. More information: https://www.google.com/amp/s/searchengineland.com/googles-de...

Non-amp link: https://searchengineland.com/googles-de-indexing-issue-still...

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Post by founderling »

degenerate wrote: post #13

This author is in his own little bubble and doesn't understand the vast amount of blog-repost spam that google has to deal with. The way their algorithm most likely deals with this is a mixture of domain rank + tenure... how long has this copy of this article existed on this domain, and can we be sure this is the original copy? The author says the article was removed in 2006 (" [...] posts, were not accessible anymor…

Here is an example:

http://www.gnoosic.com/discussion/metallica__5.html

No matter how you search for the content on Google, nothing comes up:

https://www.google.com/search?q="Metallica+only+played+2+son...

DuckDuckGo has it:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q="Metallica+only+played+2+songs+fro...

I checked the wayback machine and the content has constantly been on that url for over 10 years.

This is the first example of an old forum page I tried after reading the article. So I tend to think it's true. Google is discarding the "classic" web.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Post by kickscondor »

mathnmusic wrote: post #16

When web directories like Yahoo lost out to web search engines like Google, we lost something crucial. While search is good for answering questions you know how to ask, browsing was exploratory and led us to know what we didn't know. When it comes to learning a complex topic like mathematics, this kind of serendipity was very useful. There are some amazing resources on the web, but googling won't let you discover tho…

'Awesome' directories have really given a nice resurgence to the Yahoo! style of organization. I think the problem with Yahoo! is that it simply got too big to be used as a directory. Niche directories are where it's at. (Also: Reddit wikis, which often are used similarly.)

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Post by puzzle »

Insanity wrote: post #29
bamboozled wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it uses Bing AFAIK

Not only Bing, from their docs: "In fact, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from a variety of partners, including Oath (formerly…

How current is that page? Yahoo used Google since 2015.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Post by typon »

kickscondor wrote: post #17

While it's become impossible to browse the wider Web with Google, it's getting a bit easier elsewhere. A few helpful search engines: * https://millionshort.com/ * https://wiby.me/ * https://pinboard.in/search/ A recent movement to build personal Yahoo!-style directories: * https://href.cool/ (my own project) * https://indieseek.xyz/ * https://districts.neocities.org/ * https://the.dailywebthing.com/ The above resourc…

holy crap, thanks for sharing Wiby!

For the past two weeks I have been trying to find an old website by searching for "old mysterious site search engines" and "how to search deep parts of web" and "search engine tricks old site" and Google has not returned anything, even when I limited the time span to 2005-2006.

I made the same search on Wilby and it returned search lores (maintained by the hacker Fravia) as the first result! I was so happy to find that website again because I haven't been on it for 10 years. Unfortunately I just found out that Fravia passed away in 2009 because of cancer :(...

Wiby seems like a search engine Fravia would have enjoyed.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Post by ishan1121 »

nukeop wrote: post #5

Google is pretty much useless for anything older than a few years, as well as for many less popular topics. I can't even remember how many times Google decided to drop a crucial word in my query to show me something, anything, instead of admitting it pulled a blank. Instead of playing the endless game of "intitle: filetype: inurl:" just use something else (DDG maybe).

DDG is much better to get a wider scope of search results while Google is good for personal things. Most the old forums and post do come in the first DDG search, but not on the first Google search. I have started to hate Google's Personalised filter bubble.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Post by Insanity »

puzzle wrote: post #56
Insanity wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only Bing, from their docs: "In fact, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from a variety of partners, including Oath (formerly…

How current is that page? Yahoo used Google since 2015.

Fair point, I did not find a date there. Might have been outdated, oops!

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Post by vissi »

founderling wrote: post #53
degenerate wrote: post #13

This author is in his own little bubble and doesn't understand the vast amount of blog-repost spam that google has to deal with. The way their algorithm most likely deals with this is a mixture of domain rank + tenure... how long has this copy of this article existed on this domain, and can we be sure this is the original copy? The author says the article was removed in 2006 (" [...] posts, were not accessible anymor…

Here is an example: http://www.gnoosic.com/discussion/metallica__5.html No matter how you search for the content on Google, nothing comes up: https://www.google.com/search?q="Metallica+only+played+2+son... DuckDuckGo has it: https://duckduckgo.com/?q="Metallica+only+played+2+songs+fro... I checked the wayback machine and the content has constantly been on that url for over 10 years. This is the first example of an ol…

Well, search may have bugs (or undocumented features) too, I have googled content from other pages on this site (related to Metallica). Page 6 for example: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Listen+up+you+fags+metall...
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