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Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#91

Not just about piracy but.. This is the usual pattern in online discussion platforms. Start free, advocate for free speech, then figure out you need to make money and you suddenly stop being a rebel and sink down to be the corporate sellout you always preached against. Reddit will eventually be replaced by something else and the cycle continues.

eternal september forever

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#92

Not just about piracy but.. This is the usual pattern in online discussion platforms. Start free, advocate for free speech, then figure out you need to make money and you suddenly stop being a rebel and sink down to be the corporate sellout you always preached against. Reddit will eventually be replaced by something else and the cycle continues.

It's a natural movement of power between older and newer generations. As power transfers, the recipients change strategies from attack to defend.

that makes it sound far more inevitable than it really is.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#93
post #52

It seems like rights holders have realized that carpet bombing is a cheap and "effective" strategy. There are reports ( https://youtu.be/JwG0bQ7WC3c ) of music copyright holders reporting the use of even a single chord in YouTube videos. This strategy appears to be having a chilling effect across multiple platforms. Copyright claims are super easy to make at scale, but the platforms themselves cannot investigate at s…

This seems like a direct knock on effect of the ridiculous asymmetry in legal liability. Due to the draconian way the DMCA works all the content platforms have their own informal process. The informal process involves no liability for a false claim so as a result you get this mass claiming. Here's a fun point though - the DMCA is draconian partly because platforms like Youtube enabled mass piracy in order to capture…

The DMCA is not draconian, and in fact is a pretty even handed law. Its implementation by the various platforms is what's draconian - a mostly automated system that defers to rights holders without any sort of real appeals process.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#94

It seems like rights holders have realized that carpet bombing is a cheap and "effective" strategy. There are reports ( https://youtu.be/JwG0bQ7WC3c ) of music copyright holders reporting the use of even a single chord in YouTube videos. This strategy appears to be having a chilling effect across multiple platforms. Copyright claims are super easy to make at scale, but the platforms themselves cannot investigate at s…

One of my favourite torrent sites decided to go private because of DMCA takedown requests. That probably wouldn't work for Reddit. But it just illustrates that the pirate ship will keep on sailing even if you can't see it.

If you can't see it, it will also be harder for casual pirates to find. It's basically impossible to stop piracy, but it can be made more difficult, and that could have a significant impact.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#95

Not just about piracy but.. This is the usual pattern in online discussion platforms. Start free, advocate for free speech, then figure out you need to make money and you suddenly stop being a rebel and sink down to be the corporate sellout you always preached against. Reddit will eventually be replaced by something else and the cycle continues.

I'd argue that this is mostly restricted to for profit discussion platforms that only considers monthly users and are otherwise uninterested in community and topic issues. There are lots of subject matter discussion platforms that never go trough this phase as a natural consequence of having primary concerns that isn't simply growing MAU numbers.

usually platforms that allow controversial topics to be discussed also happen to be the ones which grow faster. at some point, even hosting becomes a problem requirement some revenue streams. i am not blaming reddit or any other platform i am just stating that this cycle has existed for a long time and is predictable.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#96
post #93
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a direct knock on effect of the ridiculous asymmetry in legal liability. Due to the draconian way the DMCA works all the content platforms have their own informal process. The informal process involves no liability for a false claim so as a result you get this mass claiming. Here's a fun point though - the DMCA is draconian partly because platforms like Youtube enabled mass piracy in order to capture…

The DMCA is not draconian, and in fact is a pretty even handed law. Its implementation by the various platforms is what's draconian - a mostly automated system that defers to rights holders without any sort of real appeals process.

Because the DMCA allows it. If you want an even-handed process, mandate it. It's the same problem (well, one of them) that the EU equivalent is now presenting: all the incentives for overblocking, no incentive to prevent it.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#97
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's something heartwarming about 4chan remaining committed to being absolute cancer.

4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom in (at least) some quarters of the Internet as is possible. Such freedom seems so essential to Internet culture that, in my opinion, it must be protected.

> 4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom ...

Can you provide an example of something valuable you found on 4chan/8chan that could not be found on a site with less "vileness"?

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#99
post #72

I’m surprised reddit let’s the sports stream subreddits stay up. These are kind of going mainstream and must be a huge thorn in the side of cable companies

They started cracking down on the soccer stream subs a few months ago, but I'm not sure why they haven't followed suit on the American sports streams.

Yeah, and people just moved elsewhere. All it's going to do is hurt Reddit's bottom line. Let me guess porn is next? Digg is looming

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

#100

This is a small price to pay for the censorship that has successfully defeated the scourges of white nationalism, bigotry, and general ignorance. Oh, censorship hasn't actually achieved those things, you say? Then why the fuck are we tolerating its coordinated resurgence?! 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0. The same old authoritarian bullshit that jumpstarted reddit can now end it. It is once again time…

Stop signs and police citations are a small price to pay for the traffic control that has eliminated fatal road accidents.

Oh, traffic control hasn't actually eliminated every fatality? Then why the fuck are we tolerating stop signs and police citations?

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