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Linus: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Are “A Disease”

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Re: Linus: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Are “A Disease”

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Anonymity made for a healthier internet in my opinion. Nobody cared if xXNinja_420Xx said he was going to kill you or that all left-handed people deserve to be in concentration camps. Everyone still runs their fool mouth same as they used to except now you know it's your cousin Drew or Samantha from accounting saying it. Putting a name and a face on internet bullshit was a horrible development.

All left-handed people deserve to be in concentration camps.

I don't care

Re: Linus: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Are “A Disease”

#42
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My opinion is that, while those traits are there, Facebook et al actively manipulate people to express those traits. Yes, similar things happen in face yo face interactions... with psychopaths. In this way, social media is more like a predator than a disease.

This example is fresh in my mind but might be crude Every public bathroom is a mess. Urine on seats and the floor. But I've never gone to someone's house and seen their bathroom in that condition. People act badly when no one is watching and they have reason to believe their badness won't be discovered. I'm skeptical of the value of anonymity to the collective where it's obvious to see the value to the individual

One thing I find attract of anonymity is that a person can make statement without risking it being permanently associated with him for the rest of his life. He can test ideas, push boundaries, perhaps discover something about himself or his previous assumptions. We are only sharing information after all

Re: Linus: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Are “A Disease”

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post #19

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My opinion is that, while those traits are there, Facebook et al actively manipulate people to express those traits. Yes, similar things happen in face yo face interactions... with psychopaths. In this way, social media is more like a predator than a disease.

This example is fresh in my mind but might be crude Every public bathroom is a mess. Urine on seats and the floor. But I've never gone to someone's house and seen their bathroom in that condition. People act badly when no one is watching and they have reason to believe their badness won't be discovered. I'm skeptical of the value of anonymity to the collective where it's obvious to see the value to the individual

> But I've never gone to someone's house and seen their bathroom in that condition.

I broadly agree with your premise, but the nitpicky HN part of my brain feels obligated to point out that a certain amount of selection bias might be at play here. Public bathrooms are by definition places the entire spectrum of the public visits, and is probably a broader and slightly more diverse pool than the people whose homes you personally visit (unless you're a social worker, which you probably aren't because then you would absolutely have seen swathes of homes that a lot of people here would probably deem uninhabitable)

That said, you're not wrong : we've all witnessed friends, acquaintances et al behave differently from one context to another. I live in Norway, and the prototypical example that comes to mind is that kids / young adults here are significantly more belligerent and antisocial abroad than at home where they are subject to the Scandinavian brand of tut-tut judgyness. Basically the spring break phenomenon so it's not unique by any means.

Re: Linus: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Are “A Disease”

#44
I feel that the only reason this has made the news beyond the Linux community (there was also Business Insider [1] and The Inquirer [2] recycling this quote) is because of how fashionable it has recently become to hate on social media.

And while I share much of Linus's distaste for social media (although I am shocked to see he argues against anonymity), the way that papers are now running with this story looks like cheap sensationalism.

[1] - https://www.businessinsider.com/linus-torvalds-says-twitter-...

[2] - https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3073753/linus-torv...

Re: Linus: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Are “A Disease”

#45

I think Linus is right. It's a bit ironic, though, him calling Facebook a 'disease' when Steven Balmer famously called Linux a 'cancer'.

It's a cancer. It now has its own subsystem in windows.

Maybe it's medicine. It's being applied in an attempt to better the host's health condition :-)

I believe we can all agree that the command line and the whole PowerShell thing in Windows is...funny.. to say the least.

Re: Linus: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Are “A Disease”

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post #19

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My opinion is that, while those traits are there, Facebook et al actively manipulate people to express those traits. Yes, similar things happen in face yo face interactions... with psychopaths. In this way, social media is more like a predator than a disease.

This example is fresh in my mind but might be crude Every public bathroom is a mess. Urine on seats and the floor. But I've never gone to someone's house and seen their bathroom in that condition. People act badly when no one is watching and they have reason to believe their badness won't be discovered. I'm skeptical of the value of anonymity to the collective where it's obvious to see the value to the individual

Close to your point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

Not exactly, but close enough.

Why would people want to do that, even if nobody is watching, that's the question we need to be asking ourselves.

Re: Linus: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Are “A Disease”

#47

I think Linus is right. It's a bit ironic, though, him calling Facebook a 'disease' when Steven Balmer famously called Linux a 'cancer'.

It's a cancer. It now has its own subsystem in windows.

Nice one bro... or even more terrifying: windows is forming around Linux... :OO

Re: Linus: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Are “A Disease”

#48

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This example is fresh in my mind but might be crude Every public bathroom is a mess. Urine on seats and the floor. But I've never gone to someone's house and seen their bathroom in that condition. People act badly when no one is watching and they have reason to believe their badness won't be discovered. I'm skeptical of the value of anonymity to the collective where it's obvious to see the value to the individual

One thing I find attract of anonymity is that a person can make statement without risking it being permanently associated with him for the rest of his life. He can test ideas, push boundaries, perhaps discover something about himself or his previous assumptions. We are only sharing information after all

If most anonymous speech were like The Federalist Papers then I would agree. I think the mean-value of anonymous speech is either zero or negative. I'm aware this is a feeling and not something I can prove.

Re: Linus: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Are “A Disease”

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In the end I don't think anyone had any idea what Google+ was supposed to be or do, most of all Google themselves.

The main issue was with Google+ was the painfully slow roll out.It killed any chance of viral spread of it it. Same thing happened with Google Wave.

Yes, the incredible slow rollout of thefacebook.com killed that one, too.
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