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Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by laurent123456 »

klntsky wrote: post #26

/r/Piracy owners deserve it. They should've considered such a possibility before allowing their community to grow on a platform they do not control. So they are not "victims", just a bit inconsiderate. And there is no reason to blame reddit, or anyone, for the deletion. They are not obliged to provide their service to anyone.

On the other hand, it's thanks to communities like this one and others that Reddit got where it is today. So not unreasonable to blame them when they change their mind in the name of Ads.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by Quarrelsome »

mxfh wrote: post #8
anonymouswacker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a victim of the times we live in. Reddit, like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter, simply grew too much outside of its original intention. It was a place to form anonymous communities around niche interests, but these interests started to spread into the dark elements of hate speech, child pornography, etc. When profitability comes into question, as any company wants to strive for, it has to appease. Reddit was…

"Reddit, like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter," ... "It was a place to form anonymous communities around niche interests" Huh? None of these platforms got established as primarily long tail platforms. They were meant to be potentially big with lowest common denominators (news, aggregation, social connection in education communities) and grow into niches. Niche are topical forums and topical social networks.

Facebook was for students, specifically one or two campuses to begin with. YouTube is in the name, it was a video platform for users to start personal channels of tubing themselves and idk wtf twitter was ever supposed to be.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by zcid »

seszett wrote: post #22
_pmf_ wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Reddit was a nice idea, but it just got too big. Funny how that wasn't a problem until the Bad Orange Man won. Surely just a coincidence.

If you're suggesting that Donald Trump has some connection with the bans of controversial subreddits I think you're wrong, since the one big ban of fatpeoplehate, shitniggerssay and a few other controversial subreddits happened in 2015, a full year before Donald Trump's election.

But political subreddits didn't start seeing bans until 2016. Around the same time, the face of the major news subreddits drastically changed as well. I don't know if it was a result of the election, but the timing does seem to consider further consideration of motives.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by meko »

devoply wrote: post #6
anonymouswacker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a victim of the times we live in. Reddit, like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter, simply grew too much outside of its original intention. It was a place to form anonymous communities around niche interests, but these interests started to spread into the dark elements of hate speech, child pornography, etc. When profitability comes into question, as any company wants to strive for, it has to appease. Reddit was…

ah yes 4chan lite was supposed to turn out completely differently.

You mean canv.as?

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by UncleSlacky »

seszett wrote: post #22
_pmf_ wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Reddit was a nice idea, but it just got too big. Funny how that wasn't a problem until the Bad Orange Man won. Surely just a coincidence.

If you're suggesting that Donald Trump has some connection with the bans of controversial subreddits I think you're wrong, since the one big ban of fatpeoplehate, shitniggerssay and a few other controversial subreddits happened in 2015, a full year before Donald Trump's election.

Especially given that /r/The_Donald is still around.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by emilfihlman »

klntsky wrote: post #26

/r/Piracy owners deserve it. They should've considered such a possibility before allowing their community to grow on a platform they do not control. So they are not "victims", just a bit inconsiderate. And there is no reason to blame reddit, or anyone, for the deletion. They are not obliged to provide their service to anyone.

Linking to content is not piracy.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by pennaMan »

ionised wrote: post #16
Asooka wrote: post #9

Good. Piracy must be eradicated if culture is to survive.

We had culture before copyright, we'll have culture after copyright. All that needs to be eradicated is the obsolete middle-men acting as gatekeepers to our shared culture for profit.

The middle-men are the most desperate about tyrannical copyright laws. The content creators don't need IP to survive and create, because they can always monetize their content in some form. But for the middle-men it's their only means of income.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by wongarsu »

mxfh wrote: post #8
anonymouswacker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a victim of the times we live in. Reddit, like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter, simply grew too much outside of its original intention. It was a place to form anonymous communities around niche interests, but these interests started to spread into the dark elements of hate speech, child pornography, etc. When profitability comes into question, as any company wants to strive for, it has to appease. Reddit was…

"Reddit, like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter," ... "It was a place to form anonymous communities around niche interests" Huh? None of these platforms got established as primarily long tail platforms. They were meant to be potentially big with lowest common denominators (news, aggregation, social connection in education communities) and grow into niches. Niche are topical forums and topical social networks.

Reddit was a link aggregator for the lowest common denominator. But with the introduction of comments and subreddits they stumbled into the role of an aggregator of niche communities and mostly pivoted to fulfill that role better, until fairly recently (with the redesign, community containment and bans etc. in an effort to increase mass appeal)

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by Freak_NL »

rlue wrote: post #17
Asooka wrote: post #9

Good. Piracy must be eradicated if culture is to survive.

Culture != commerce. The very fact that piracy is sustained by volunteer communities should speak for itself here, but if you need more evidence, consider: > The scope of music collected on What.cd was almost incomprehensibly vast: More than a million distinct “releases” of songs, albums, and bootlegs. > Bach cello suites. Obscure Chinese indie rock. Nigerian hip-hop. Thai psych-funk from the 1970s. Every release of…

Piracy may well be a requirement for culture to survive beyond that which is mandated and approved by the major content owners.

In fact, once something enters the public domain, copying it, consuming it, drawing attention to it, documenting it, analysing it, archiving it, reusing it, in short, using it; is absolutely vital to keep those facets of culture a part of our heritage. And it is completely legal.

But between the public domain and the moment cultural artefacts are created is a vast gap where copyright shields everything from those acts, even when nobody is monetizing it, and when all that stands between losing it forever and maintaining it for future generations is a couple of pirates who ripped a copy at an opportune moment.

The current copyright status quo is killing culture. 28 years of copyright protects the creator, life plus 100 years just protects the profits of some faceless megacorporation or rent-seeking artist's estate.

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