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Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Post by nutjob2 » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:28 AM UTC

andrewpi wrote: post #28

akabaka777 wrote: post #15

I am all in for dismantling facebook but this is just a rant. Zuck has way more things in favor for him legally. What confuses the hell out of me is that i always saw from childhood US executives are held accountable for their company's action. Any scandal and i would see the CEO step down. The amount of damage the zuck has caused the world and yet still he wont step down. What the actual hell

>What confuses the hell out of me is that i always saw from childhood US executives are held accountable for their company's action. Any scandal and i would see the CEO step down. You are confusing regular random CEOs who get hired to run a company with someone like Zuck who founded a company and is still closely tied to its identity. Remember the mess after Steve Jobs was forced out of Apple?

That actually has little to do with why "Zuck" is still there, it's because he has special voting rights that make him immovable. Ditto for the Google founders.

Take that away and we'd see the actual truth of his utility to Facebook and its shareholders.

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Post by djsumdog » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:28 AM UTC

sigzero wrote: post #36

techntoke wrote: post #22

Facebook is going to have to allow users to opt out of advertisements entirely for anything to change. You are essentially trading the social features of the site in exchange of you agreeing for them to profile you, decide what you should see based on a private algorithm, and share that information with third parties. Zuckerberg even suggested a while back allowing paid users to opt out, but then this just preys on t…

> I for one welcome a decentralized privacy-first web with zero advertisements. That will never happen.

I try to do my part to encourage people to use the Fediverse. I dream of a day when Facebook, Twitter and others will have to permit ActivityPub integration just to stay relevant.

Hmm .. MySpace should really implement activitypub. Might make a comeback.

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:30 AM UTC

ibeckermayer wrote: post #34

toufiqbarhamov wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does that bit of nonsense get repeated so often? It’s a myth. https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?arti... Debunking the Shareholder Value Myth: History Although many contemporary business experts take shareholder primacy as a given, the rise of shareholder primacy as dominant business philosophy is a relatively recent phenomenon. For most of the twentieth century, large public companies follow…

Sincere question: is this UCLA law professor mistaken in his first paragraph? https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-co...

He's right, however, managers can simply say, "We believe long term wealth maximization is dependent on not being assholes and getting the company regulated out of existence," and that will be the end of any shareholder lawsuit on the subject. US case law gives wide leeway to managers to determine what is best for the business.

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Post by o10449366 » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:30 AM UTC

angott wrote: post #44

acdc4life wrote: post #35

"[They] allow the live streaming of suicides, rapes, and murders, continue to host and publish the mosque attack video, allow advertisers to target ‘Jew haters’ and other hateful market segments, and refuse to accept any responsibility for any content or harm." I stopped reading after this point. Facebook has no clue what kind of stuff gets posted on their platform, and their AI isn't powerful enough to detect it. Th…

> their AI isn't powerful enough to detect it Nothing is impossible, especially when you are a multi-billion tech company. FB loves to justify their lack of action with technical limitations that often do not really exist.

This is a bad take. FB has taken the most action out of any big tech company in terms of hiring human moderators and investing in their AI auto-detection. It's nonsensical and lazy to claim that there aren't serious technical challenges involved with creating a perfect detection system, even for a company like Facebook.

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:30 AM UTC

acdc4life wrote: post #35

"[They] allow the live streaming of suicides, rapes, and murders, continue to host and publish the mosque attack video, allow advertisers to target ‘Jew haters’ and other hateful market segments, and refuse to accept any responsibility for any content or harm." I stopped reading after this point. Facebook has no clue what kind of stuff gets posted on their platform, and their AI isn't powerful enough to detect it. Th…

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Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Post by HNthrow22 » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:30 AM UTC

acdc4life wrote: post #35

"[They] allow the live streaming of suicides, rapes, and murders, continue to host and publish the mosque attack video, allow advertisers to target ‘Jew haters’ and other hateful market segments, and refuse to accept any responsibility for any content or harm." I stopped reading after this point. Facebook has no clue what kind of stuff gets posted on their platform, and their AI isn't powerful enough to detect it. Th…

> Facebook has no clue what kind of stuff gets posted on their platform, and their AI isn't powerful enough to detect it. The idea that Facebook is causing/enabling such behaviors is ridiculous.

I contend as a society we should hold these massive tech orgs (who have more power than most governments) to the standard of moderating the content that's posted to their platforms. They have the money and profits to hire human moderators, the 'dumb pipe' defense doesn't fly for me anymore.

Twitter/Reddit should face harsh penalties for failing to moderate and remove content that encourages and indoctrinates extremists. I'm not talking about anything that's borderline, I'm talking about pure unfiltered hate speech that directly encourages violence.

The question then becomes who decides what's acceptable content, the only answer is regulations and legislation for this otherwise for-profit tech giants will be the ones who decide and they're more concerned with user-engagement than far reaching detached societal implications.

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Post by nutjob2 » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:30 AM UTC

forgotmyhnacc wrote: post #3

Why is a random Twitter rant on the front page of hacker news? Also re: Jew haters, he does realize that the top two people at Facebook are Jewish, right? (Mark and Sheryl)

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Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Post by chillacy » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:31 AM UTC

angott wrote: post #44

acdc4life wrote: post #35

"[They] allow the live streaming of suicides, rapes, and murders, continue to host and publish the mosque attack video, allow advertisers to target ‘Jew haters’ and other hateful market segments, and refuse to accept any responsibility for any content or harm." I stopped reading after this point. Facebook has no clue what kind of stuff gets posted on their platform, and their AI isn't powerful enough to detect it. Th…

> their AI isn't powerful enough to detect it Nothing is impossible, especially when you are a multi-billion tech company. FB loves to justify their lack of action with technical limitations that often do not really exist.

I mean it’s not like YouTube has this problem solved either... are all tech companies just incompetent?

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Post by jseliger » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:31 AM UTC

acdc4life wrote: post #35

"[They] allow the live streaming of suicides, rapes, and murders, continue to host and publish the mosque attack video, allow advertisers to target ‘Jew haters’ and other hateful market segments, and refuse to accept any responsibility for any content or harm." I stopped reading after this point. Facebook has no clue what kind of stuff gets posted on their platform, and their AI isn't powerful enough to detect it. Th…

Facebook makes a handy scapegoat: https://jakeseliger.com/2018/11/14/is-there-an-actual-facebo....

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Post by senthil_rajasek » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:31 AM UTC

acdc4life wrote: post #35

"[They] allow the live streaming of suicides, rapes, and murders, continue to host and publish the mosque attack video, allow advertisers to target ‘Jew haters’ and other hateful market segments, and refuse to accept any responsibility for any content or harm." I stopped reading after this point. Facebook has no clue what kind of stuff gets posted on their platform, and their AI isn't powerful enough to detect it. Th…

They have power to reach everyone in the world. They don't have the capability to decide what content deserves this wide reach. To compensate and out of greed they encouraged sharing and spreading all types of content without merit. I am not asking for facebook to be a police of content... Users don't even have the capability to flag content.

They promoted a culture of greed over morality. It's a curse on humanity.