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Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who (other than you) mentioned Jews? Do you think being Jews makes them immune to criticism for things completely unrelated? It would be a problem if someone dragged in their Jewishness as part of the criticism, but as far as I can see, nobody did.

it's mentioned in the article

Ah, I missed that. So it is. (I did actually read the article, but evidently not well enough).

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post #27

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If you don't care about user experience and cost it's a pretty simple problem to solve - everything vetted before it gets posted

Yup. It’s a hard problem to solve while keeping the business profitable. But so is safety in mining, aviation, oil drilling, medicine etc. Some tech companies won’t be viable businesses once regulations kick in. Good riddance.

Rules like that would cripple the open web. You can't only expect them to apply to unpopular companies.

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I'm a New Zealander. I think our privacy commissioner is so totally wrong here. It's a hard technical problem to solve. It's an even harder political problem to solve. Automatic censorship of live feeds, how do you do that? Automatic take downs of videos doctored to avoid being removed, how to do you do that? Then if you have these automatic systems in place how do you avoid getting accused of censoring everyone? I d…

Let's be honest, it's fairly simple. You submit all content to the Office of Film and Literature Classification and allow the Chief Censor to make the decisions. That's ultimately what the government wants.

As one Kiwi told me recently: "I have never heard anyone complain about our Censor".

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Of course they are. Facebook is a public company, it has a financial duty to its shareholders to take as much as society will give it.

Why does that bit of nonsense get repeated so often? It’s a myth. https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?arti... Debunking the Shareholder Value Myth: History Although many contemporary business experts take shareholder primacy as a given, the rise of shareholder primacy as dominant business philosophy is a relatively recent phenomenon. For most of the twentieth century, large public companies follow…

Sincere question: is this UCLA law professor mistaken in his first paragraph?

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-co...

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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"[They] allow the live streaming of suicides, rapes, and murders, continue to host and publish the mosque attack video, allow advertisers to target ‘Jew haters’ and other hateful market segments, and refuse to accept any responsibility for any content or harm."

I stopped reading after this point. Facebook has no clue what kind of stuff gets posted on their platform, and their AI isn't powerful enough to detect it. The idea that Facebook is causing/enabling such behaviors is ridiculous. It's a big claim to make with no quantitative evidence. It's similar to when Marilyn Manson got blamed for Columbine, or GTA/violent video games got blamed for making kids violent.

Facebook is morally bankrupt, but not for these sensationalist reason.

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Facebook is going to have to allow users to opt out of advertisements entirely for anything to change. You are essentially trading the social features of the site in exchange of you agreeing for them to profile you, decide what you should see based on a private algorithm, and share that information with third parties. Zuckerberg even suggested a while back allowing paid users to opt out, but then this just preys on t…

> I for one welcome a decentralized privacy-first web with zero advertisements.

That will never happen.

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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Of course they are. Facebook is a public company, it has a financial duty to its shareholders to take as much as society will give it.

Why does that bit of nonsense get repeated so often? It’s a myth. https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?arti... Debunking the Shareholder Value Myth: History Although many contemporary business experts take shareholder primacy as a given, the rise of shareholder primacy as dominant business philosophy is a relatively recent phenomenon. For most of the twentieth century, large public companies follow…

You've only proved their point. Since 1970 (ie at least a decade before most users of this site were born), it has been a major guiding principle in finance. Because of that, the majority of board members and large shareholders will also share this value. If it sounds like a circular argument, that's because it is.

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post #33
post #6

I'm a New Zealander. I think our privacy commissioner is so totally wrong here. It's a hard technical problem to solve. It's an even harder political problem to solve. Automatic censorship of live feeds, how do you do that? Automatic take downs of videos doctored to avoid being removed, how to do you do that? Then if you have these automatic systems in place how do you avoid getting accused of censoring everyone? I d…

Let's be honest, it's fairly simple. You submit all content to the Office of Film and Literature Classification and allow the Chief Censor to make the decisions. That's ultimately what the government wants. As one Kiwi told me recently: "I have never heard anyone complain about our Censor".

While also getting charged a $100 processing fee for each request you make.

Re: Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's privacy commissioner

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post #6

I'm a New Zealander. I think our privacy commissioner is so totally wrong here. It's a hard technical problem to solve. It's an even harder political problem to solve. Automatic censorship of live feeds, how do you do that? Automatic take downs of videos doctored to avoid being removed, how to do you do that? Then if you have these automatic systems in place how do you avoid getting accused of censoring everyone? I d…

If you don't care about user experience and cost it's a pretty simple problem to solve - everything vetted before it gets posted

I challenge the premise that anything needs to be “posted”. What is it with this incessant drive to give everyone a voice? It turns out that the majority of “user-generated content” is either trivial or outright harmful. Perhaps the time has come for this experiment to end.

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't care about user experience and cost it's a pretty simple problem to solve - everything vetted before it gets posted

Yup. It’s a hard problem to solve while keeping the business profitable. But so is safety in mining, aviation, oil drilling, medicine etc. Some tech companies won’t be viable businesses once regulations kick in. Good riddance.

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