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What you don't understand is there is a me now, currently, so this comment/argument is completely pointless and generally wrong.
> there is a me now Like I said, your ego-- the sense of self-- is doing a weird flex. But ok.
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> seems to me like it's a cultural thing as well. This is true. I think that it's also a religious thing as well, and almost Christians. Other religions are more accepting of death, but Christianity has taught many to sincerely believe that Jesus himself would step into the room and heal their loved one, therefore every attempt must be made to save them. This is something I've seen first hand in my years as a Paramed…
I believe this might be more prominent among uneducated folks of (at least in my neck of the woods) non-mainline American Protestant denominations. At least the doctors of the Catholic Church will specifically talk about preparation for death, dying well (also mentioned by Fred Rogers in the documentary I saw about him), etc.
I want to go out as a result of a series of violent mistakes trying to save my life. Why would anyone want anything else? Peaceful death is basically suicide. Why do doctors continually perpetuate this notion that slipping softly into death (palliative care, hospice) is preferable to continually trying to avoid it by way of riskier and riskier attempts at treating the root cause? At the very least, we could be honest…
Yeah. No. Let me cut your crusade against the medical profession short by telling you that doctors are putting their money where their mouth is [1]. They see the kind of suffering that prolonging people's lives with certain conditions can inflict and choose to have none of it. Other than that your comment is incredibly rude towards people who will do everything in their ability to keep you alive anyways - if you/fami…
And no, I don't care if I'm being rude, I care if I'm being accurate. And I am. Stop making this about outrage and either have a conversation about the topic or leave. I may be wrong, but debating how offensive I'm being is a waste of everyone's time.
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Something can be an opinion and a lie by definition. Also, I don't care if I insult people by stating facts, including, "Your opinion is wrong/a lie." Getting upset about a fact is yelling at a cloud. And why is it obvious I care greatly about this matter? Because I've written less than a page's worth of content on the topic? Seems like a weirdly low bar...
> Something can be an opinion and a lie by definition. Where opinion means "belief held", that's an obvious oxymoron. > Also, I don't care if I insult people by stating facts, including, "Your opinion is wrong/a lie." Getting upset about a fact is yelling at a cloud. Let me quote yourself at you: > Stop trying to interpret my opinions as facts. Are you seriously fooled into thinking what I'm saying here is even argua…
You're right, this will go nowhere because you're trying to have a semantics argument while also being wrong about the semantics you're trying to correct.
And again, I don't care if you find me to be rude. Bringing it up is distracting from the larger conversation, about how we're being sold a bill of goods by doctors about "peaceful death" because it makes their lives easier to think about, at the cost of giving up earlier on patients.
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Something can be an opinion and a lie by definition. Also, I don't care if I insult people by stating facts, including, "Your opinion is wrong/a lie." Getting upset about a fact is yelling at a cloud. And why is it obvious I care greatly about this matter? Because I've written less than a page's worth of content on the topic? Seems like a weirdly low bar...
> I don't care if I insult people by stating facts, including, "Your opinion is wrong/a lie." You can't know their opinion is wrong, because you've already admitted that's just your opinion. It's not a fact. Your opinions are not facts.
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An opinion can be false/wrong/a lie.
Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Opinions are opinions: nobody knows for sure which ones are right or wrong. IMO you should retract your accusation of "lie" since you have admitted you were just stating your opinion. Your opinion might not agree with someone else's opinion, but that doesn't justify you accusing them of lying.
Rudimentary philosophy will help you understand this conversation, as it covers fairly extensively the truth/false of beliefs, and the very nature of what truth is. I recommend you spend some time looking into it before you feign outrage over an unrelated topic to the one in this submission.
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> Peaceful death is suicide, if chosen. Period. Then suicide is preferable. Stop using the word suicide as if it was an insult.
Picking suicide is a cop-out. Anything is better than nothingness.
The description of "popping" the ribs during CPR reminded me of this medical article in "comic strip" form: https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2217632/annals-graphic-me... Click on each panel to get a larger version.
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>Life is still life, and death is still infinitely worse. I assure you that this is untrue. There's a reason why people on the upper floors of the World Trade Center jumped from the windows, and it's not because they expected a soft landing. There are many, many things in this world worse than a peaceful death.
I feel like that is a crappy example to shove in people's faces. I guarantee you there is a nonzero amount of people who did that on 9/11 who could have made it down safely and enjoyed the rest of their lives. Actually it's a perfect example of the other kind of suicide, not due to permanent illness so much as temporary circumstances that could be resolved and lead to the person not wanting to do that. That is someth…
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I was raised evangelical, specifically Southern Baptist. There is a relentless focus on positivity. On prayers being answered. The person, that you're replying to, got it largely correct, at least as my childhood faith goes. Sure, even the most deluded Baptists realize death is inevitable. And they're not entirely hostile to DNR. But their approach to the sanctity of life, and the countless stories of last minute mir…
I was also raised Southern Baptist (though I’m a liberal mainline protestant now) and my dad was an assistant pastor/choir director for most of my childhood. I couldn’t disagree with many aspects of Southern Baptist theology and doctrine more, but this was not my experience at all. Sure people prayed for sick family members, but the focus was always more on repenting and being reunited in heaven than it was on stayin…
Once the death happened, they were accepting of it. But they fought like hell until that moment.
This was my experience. There is (or used to be) some variance between SBC churches, so I don't doubt your experience was different.