Wikileaks kicked out of Amazon's cloud

RiderOfGiraffes wrote: post #2

Choose your news source: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959697 - techdirt.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959655 - cnn.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959633 - arstechnica.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959607 - bgr.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959335 - npr.org http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959328 - guardian.co.uk http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959308 - readw…

I like the commentary on the TechDirt one:

"Look at who's complaining the most about Wikileaks and you realize that it's the people who benefit from not being held accountable for their actions."

Re: Wikileaks kicked out of Amazon's cloud

#4

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 10:12 PM UTC

[deleted]

Re: Wikileaks kicked out of Amazon's cloud

#5

Post by Mithrandir » Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 10:18 PM UTC

RiderOfGiraffes wrote: post #2

Choose your news source: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959697 - techdirt.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959655 - cnn.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959633 - arstechnica.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959607 - bgr.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959335 - npr.org http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959328 - guardian.co.uk http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959308 - readw…

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959142 - foxnews.com

Re: Wikileaks kicked out of Amazon's cloud

#6

Post by arvinjoar » Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 10:24 PM UTC

Oscar Swartz[1] is the man behind Bahnhof, the Swedish company that Wikileaks are using for their infrastructure needs. Oscar is a man of principle and would never sell out to the establishment the way Amazon did.

There's acutally a bunch of swedes that are standing up for the internet as we know it. Among them the guys over at the pirate bay. What's cool about this is that when you have people being activists in their own ways, for a certain cause, things tend to work out.

There's been a lot of news coverage on these things in Sweden and people got really upset when an internet surveillance bill was passed in the swedish parliament. So we've figured it out in Sweden, but we can't do it alone. Most of the internet-hostile bills in Sweden are a result of EU policies, there needs to be a wider movement in Europe.

Also, people like Joe Lieberman have to be stopped, first "the internet kill switch" and now this? Come on, give me a break. These people are taking it too far.

[1] = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Swartz

Re: Wikileaks kicked out of Amazon's cloud

#7

Post by RiderOfGiraffes » Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 10:27 PM UTC

Mithrandir wrote: post #5

RiderOfGiraffes wrote: post #2

Choose your news source: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959697 - techdirt.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959655 - cnn.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959633 - arstechnica.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959607 - bgr.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959335 - npr.org http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959328 - guardian.co.uk http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959308 - readw…

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959142 - foxnews.com

Brilliant - thanks - I've now added that to them all.

But I'm giving up now - I need some sleep.

Re: Wikileaks kicked out of Amazon's cloud

#8

Post by Mithrandir » Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 11:17 PM UTC

They're back up...

Re: Wikileaks kicked out of Amazon's cloud

#9

Post by sigzero » Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 11:28 PM UTC

wccrawford wrote: post #3

RiderOfGiraffes wrote: post #2

Choose your news source: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959697 - techdirt.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959655 - cnn.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959633 - arstechnica.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959607 - bgr.com http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959335 - npr.org http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959328 - guardian.co.uk http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959308 - readw…

I like the commentary on the TechDirt one: "Look at who's complaining the most about Wikileaks and you realize that it's the people who benefit from not being held accountable for their actions."

At this point is it really about that? I think it has gone past that point to the criminal with Assange. I realize that isn't a popular opinion. I get what he thinks he is trying to do and all but that isn't how the world really works nor is it going to bend to wikileaks. Some of this stuff should be secret because that is how countries trust each other. I have no sympathy for him at all.

Re: Wikileaks kicked out of Amazon's cloud

#10

Post by pigbucket » Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 11:29 PM UTC

arvinjoar wrote: post #6

Oscar Swartz[1] is the man behind Bahnhof, the Swedish company that Wikileaks are using for their infrastructure needs. Oscar is a man of principle and would never sell out to the establishment the way Amazon did. There's acutally a bunch of swedes that are standing up for the internet as we know it. Among them the guys over at the pirate bay. What's cool about this is that when you have people being activists in the…

The Pentagon has claimed that they could have shut Wikileaks down if they wanted to, but decided not to, reserving "that capability for threats of much higher consequence." Generally, the rhetoric coming out of the Pentagon is not nearly as charged as that emanating from overwrought, fear-mongering senators like Lieberman

Senator Lieberman: "WikiLeaks' illegal, outrageous, and reckless acts have compromised our national security and put lives at risk around the world. No responsible company—whether American or foreign—should assist WikiLeaks in its efforts to disseminate these stolen materials."

Secretary of Defense Gates: "Is this embarrassing? Yes. Is it awkward? Yes. Consequences for U.S. foreign policy? I think fairly modest."

Pentagon Press Sec.: "At the end of the day, as you heard from the Secretary of Defense yesterday ... this creates some awkward and embarrassing situations for the United States government, it clearly puts those who cooperate with us, even some of our diplomats, in difficult positions (hopefully not endangered situations). But, at the end of the day, it does not, at least over the long term, adversely impact America’s power or prestige."