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Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by otabdeveloper2 »

daveFNbuck wrote: post #50
hirundo wrote: post #32

Of the five Guiding Principles on page 52 only about 1.5 of them are primarily concerned with the nutrition content of the food. The rest are mostly focused on their environmental impact. Not that there's anything wrong with that. And clearly that's aligned with the mission of the WWF. But I think you'd get a much different list if it was just about maximizing the health of the eater. E.g. meat. When I choose food at…

Aside from fad diets like Atkins, you don't see health professionals recommending meat as the core of a healthy diet. My doctor tells me to eat a plant-based diet at every visit now. If there's a discrepancy here, it's not that you should be eating lots of meat.

> you don't see health professionals recommending meat as the core of a healthy diet

Yeah, this is probably why obesity and related complications is the #1 cause of death right now. (Edging out 'old age' and 'smoking'.)

These "health professionals" have blood on their hands.

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Post by majewsky »

aszantu wrote: post #67

So my depression, anxiety and adhd went away when I stopped eating plants. I have one sack of plastic waste per month and I buy locally and I spend about 16€ / week on meat and a few bucks more on cheese and eggs.

What qualifies you to extrapolate this single case into a global policy suggestion (as you seem to be implying)?

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Post by lucb1e »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #52
Synaesthesia wrote: post #42

Fava beans. You can make a very good falafel out of them and they’re cheap. I believe falafel is the future

I admit I've never had flafel - a quick google does make them look tasty. I'm going to definintly look into cooking some.

I've had falafel and don't understand why non-vegetarians/vegans rarely eat it. It's tasty like any other food (and more tasty than some of the stuff we do commonly eat like bread!).

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Post by johnchristopher »

aszantu wrote: post #67

So my depression, anxiety and adhd went away when I stopped eating plants. I have one sack of plastic waste per month and I buy locally and I spend about 16€ / week on meat and a few bucks more on cheese and eggs.

Did you figure out the link between plants consumption and your symptoms of depression ?

What does your typical diet look like now ?

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Post by tzs »

lucb1e wrote: post #69

> The Bambara groundnut is considered ‘complete food’ because of the balance of macronutrients accompanied by the amino acid and fatty acid content. Is a "complete food" a food that supplies most of what we need? I've heard one could almost live on potatoes, with only some vitamin supplements, is that also a 'complete food'?

> I've heard one could almost live on potatoes, with only some vitamin supplements, is that also a 'complete food'?

Yes. Here's an article about it, and some one actually tried it for a while [1].

[1] https://www.popsci.com/nutrition-single-food-survival

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Post by justin66 »

mises wrote: post #27

It's worth noting for anyone that advocates this sort of diet that it is a luxury. Many people mention that you can make good food on such a diet, but it is doubtless time-consuming. What of those who work by the hour? And the ingredients are expensive. Many of the fancy foods on here come from Whole Foods, not HEB. Even if they become affordable, the time aspect is still important; most don't want to spend 2 hours c…

> Honest question for those who follow such a diet: how do you not feel hungry? If I don't have meat, I tend to stay hungry.

It's a matter of making sure you eat enough. I've noticed when playing around with a mostly, but not entirely, vegetarian diet that there's no magic at all if you're already in the habit of counting calories.

I've known some people for whom it's more of a problem, for a few reasons. For starters, an athletic person who likes a steady three meals a day might have some problems and need to change some habits, but a snacker who is trying to lose weight might thrive with the change.

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Post by random878 »

mises wrote: post #27

It's worth noting for anyone that advocates this sort of diet that it is a luxury. Many people mention that you can make good food on such a diet, but it is doubtless time-consuming. What of those who work by the hour? And the ingredients are expensive. Many of the fancy foods on here come from Whole Foods, not HEB. Even if they become affordable, the time aspect is still important; most don't want to spend 2 hours c…

> It's worth noting for anyone that advocates this sort of diet that it is a luxury.

Utter nonsense. A commonly perpetuated myth. Foods like lentils have the best cost-nutrition ratios of any food. What do you think the people around the world living on $1 a day are eating?

> doubtless time-consuming. What of those who work by the hour? ...most don't want to spend 2 hours cooking regularly.

Another myth.

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Post by mises »

windexh8er wrote: post #60
mises wrote: post #27

It's worth noting for anyone that advocates this sort of diet that it is a luxury. Many people mention that you can make good food on such a diet, but it is doubtless time-consuming. What of those who work by the hour? And the ingredients are expensive. Many of the fancy foods on here come from Whole Foods, not HEB. Even if they become affordable, the time aspect is still important; most don't want to spend 2 hours c…

> It's worth noting for anyone that advocates this sort of diet that it is a luxury. Many people mention that you can make good food on such a diet, but it is doubtless time-consuming. What of those who work by the hour? And the ingredients are expensive. I will disagree with this statement from personal experience. The first claim is that this is a "luxury diet", of which it is not. Grains, legumes, and most all lea…

> I used to spend more time in meat than almost any dish I prepare now. From overnight smokes of pulled pork or half day cooks of meats in sous vide with a finish on grill was, by far much more work.

Most people don't do this, and I certainly don't. Most people don't have the time to do it with meat either. I just roast chickens from costco or some turkey. Fish I don't do as often, because it's slow.

> I don't cast judgement

This sets you apart from many others, and I appreciate it. In an above reply, I detailed a little more how the whole plant-based thing didn't work for me, even with a sincere effort. I think not everybody does best on the same diet, and appreciate someone not trying to exalt the diet that works for them as the only one that is morally right.

> Beyond Meat / Impossible Burger type alternatives

Yuck. These are worse than the veggie option. I've tried the impossible burger once; never again. I think it was the smell that was wrong, but am not quite sure. It's the uncanny valley of meat, and I don't like it.

> Vegan for everyone by America's Test Kitchen

I appreciate the recommendation, but am not sure I would try again. I don't have any moral issues whatsoever with eating meat, and was doing it more because I had been so badgered about people who said it was better for them. I gave it a shot, and it didn't really work for me, but I'm glad to here it does for some.

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Post by skilled »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #58
skilled wrote: post #41

Imagine being so addicted to dairy and meat that you think that you can't survive without either.

Way to personify the smug elistist diet. Lower and middle class blue collar worker arent walking around talking about their ‘addiction’ to diary and meat. Having a diet of single origin seaweed and small batch imported beans is a very nice luxary that is not for everyone. I’m glad you’ve found another way to be better than “those people”. Intersting how global climate change is happily used as a wedge against individ…

I see what you are saying. But it's simply not true. Seeds, nuts, fruits, vegetables, and grains come in many different varieties. And most are very affordable.

I think the bigger issues is that people don't want to look like birds while nibbling away on a bowl of pineapple rice pudding with chia seeds.

I eat cooked food once or twice a week. Buckwheat and lentils (extremely cheap!) are my preferred choice. I can get a 2lb bag of soy protein with essential amino acids for exercise diet. Ohh, tempeh, tofu, Kimchi? Yeah man... soo elitist.

If you want I can go on. I have many years of experience and live a paycheck lifestyle.

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Post by tzs »

fastbeef wrote: post #48
iscrewyou wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you are not the bad guy but it's good to be concerned. I focus on companies when I shop. If there are two similar choices of big 2.5 gallons of water, I don't choose arrowhead. I think that's what they are trying to get at.

I really don’t want to come off as some sort of condescending euro-snob, but is the state of tap water in the US so bad so that you have to purchase plastic bottles of water?

US consumption of bottled water in 2017 was 42 gallons per capita (160 liters) [1].

That's behind Italy (188 liters per capita) and Germany (175 liters per capita). The EU average is 117 liters per capita [2].

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/183377/per-capita-consum...

[2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/455422/bottled-water-con...

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