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Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

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I’ve seen philosophy, English and history majors work in tech, I’ve never seen the reversal.

Personally I’m a little worried about ageism, something that doesn’t even enter the mind space of any of my friends with degrees in the humanities.

So maybe there is something to it. I mean, they had much harder times finding jobs than me, and aren’t rigoursly headhunted, but every one of them found jobs.

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I have History and CS degrees. The CS experience (at a top engineering school) felt fairly vocational. But being rigorously taught how to research, construct arguments, and communicate ideas in my Liberal Arts degree has been what made me successful past my first hire. I definitely recommend double majoring in a Liberal Arts degree. Also perhaps there’s a lesson here about the CS curriculum being too vocational at mo…

I also studied both, but only graduated with a History degree. I find some of the things History has taught me that CS and engineering lacked were: critical thinking, understanding power in human relationships, writing to think deeply. But the main topic that it has drilled into me is to consider Second Order Effects.

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I have friends from university with degrees in history, classics, theology, that make 3x what I do as a software engineer with a PhD. They work in things like corporate intelligence, risk analysis, planning and operations. Really high-powered serious stuff that makes what I do look rather trivial. They get hired as their companies want diversity of thought and the main job requirement is just being smart, switched-on…

I’m guessing they went to top schools. That’s the issue. Humanity degrees at lower tier schools don’t open doors, and a lot of people are borrowing a lot of money to get degrees with a poor ROI.

Precisely, I would also expect they went to top schools. A philosophy degree from Harvard looks interesting and eccentric. A philosophy degree from a school outside the top ten or so is not interpreted the same way.

I majored in philosophy before moving to mathematics - it was phenomenally interesting, but I wouldn't be impressed by a candidate with a philosophy degree these days. A lot of people who hire humanities degrees from top schools talk about things like "diversity of thought", but I think if that was the real reason they might look for candidates outside the top schools.

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The main problem with the humanities is that they have been consumed by the political far left. That's sad, because English, history, and philosphy could be great programs. I remember I was struggling to get decent grades on my history papers. I was running out of patience and decided I just wanted to pass. So I just wrote what I thought the professor wanted to hear (far left BS) and started getting B's and even an A…

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The main problem with the humanities is that they have been consumed by the political far left. That's sad, because English, history, and philosphy could be great programs. I remember I was struggling to get decent grades on my history papers. I was running out of patience and decided I just wanted to pass. So I just wrote what I thought the professor wanted to hear (far left BS) and started getting B's and even an A…

I will just say this was not my experience. In my Arab Israeli crisis class, for example, we were encouraged to see and role play Palestinian and Israeli points of view, as well of those of the various nation states involved. You can’t get much more politically charged then that, and we needed to genuinely understand very “conservative” and “liberal” policy points of view.

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The main problem with the humanities is that they have been consumed by the political far left. That's sad, because English, history, and philosphy could be great programs. I remember I was struggling to get decent grades on my history papers. I was running out of patience and decided I just wanted to pass. So I just wrote what I thought the professor wanted to hear (far left BS) and started getting B's and even an A…

That's very strange to hear. I'm not sure where you studied but when I studied history at university papers were assessed in terms of argument construction, and how you assessed other historians work, and all you said had to be referenced in some way. Whether the lecturer agreed with your conclusion or not was not the basis of your mark.

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I have friends from university with degrees in history, classics, theology, that make 3x what I do as a software engineer with a PhD. They work in things like corporate intelligence, risk analysis, planning and operations. Really high-powered serious stuff that makes what I do look rather trivial. They get hired as their companies want diversity of thought and the main job requirement is just being smart, switched-on…

I have a hard time believing this would be the norm at a sufficient number of companies that it would justify picking up one of these degrees. Knowing technical skills when applying to technical companies seems like a safer bet.

Well maybe but I think that's an issue - encouraging people, especially from those form working-class backgrounds, to take the safe bet rather than fulfilling their potential. Working-class young people are encouraged to take a safe job in the local area living a limited life, while middle-class young people with the same ability are encouraged to stick their necks out more to go to the top universities and try for the top jobs.

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I have History and CS degrees. The CS experience (at a top engineering school) felt fairly vocational. But being rigorously taught how to research, construct arguments, and communicate ideas in my Liberal Arts degree has been what made me successful past my first hire. I definitely recommend double majoring in a Liberal Arts degree. Also perhaps there’s a lesson here about the CS curriculum being too vocational at mo…

> Or not needing a 4 year college if it aims to be vocational? US colleges could absolutely drop the fourth year tomorrow if they wanted to. Many excellent European universities get it done in three and get results just as good. The real waste of time is the US PhD - doing in seven years what could be done in two or three.

The reason the US PhD takes five to seven years is because most students enter it without a Master's degree. In the UK it only takes two or three years because they generally need to complete a relevant Master's degree first.

Re: Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

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I have friends from university with degrees in history, classics, theology, that make 3x what I do as a software engineer with a PhD. They work in things like corporate intelligence, risk analysis, planning and operations. Really high-powered serious stuff that makes what I do look rather trivial. They get hired as their companies want diversity of thought and the main job requirement is just being smart, switched-on…

A couple interesting anecdotes. My first boss had multiple degrees in music, and was a professional touring classical musician. He self taught himself programming because he needed to actually make some money. Now he's a CTO at a large company.

My next boss had a degree in English. His thought was that no matter what he did with his life, communication was always at the center. He had founded 2 different tech companies before I met him, and he's now the CTO of a large company.

One of the smartest people I've ever personally worked with went to seminary (I'm not sure if he was an atheist before or after, but talk about fun conversations over a beer). He was preoccupied with finding meaning in life, and did things like math and CS with what seemed like his spare cycles.

The point is that a persons degree really only matters for their first job, and often even then only if they want to work at a FAANG for that first job. Where people end up 5-10-15-20 years later in their career has little to do with their degree.

Re: Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

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So many people decry taking any career path that isn't STEM-based, but surely one of the things the proliferation of technology and automation should one day enable is a world where someone could be a poet, or an artist, or an engineer, and not worry much about providing the material conditions of their life? I want to live in a world where anyone can be anything. I still think it's pragmatic advice to avoid (or at l…

“The science of government it is my duty to study, more than all other sciences; the arts of legislation and administration and negotiation ought to take the place of, indeed exclude, in a manner, all other arts. I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navig…

...and they all lived happily ever after!

It isn't surprising that a generation who successfully fought a war of revolution against a royalty of "divine" right would have a millenarian bent, but that doesn't mean that we should believe them. In fact, it might be telling that this pithy narrative is found in a private letter to his wife rather than in his more intentionally public works. In every generation, there will be those who find poetry boring and politics exciting. The rest of us must maintain constant vigilance against those scourges on humanity.

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