You might want to sign the international petition [0] and the petition for Switzerland [1]. [0] https://www.5gspaceappeal.org/the-appeal [1] https://www.change.org/p/p%C3%A9tition-contre-la-5g-et-ses-d...
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Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now
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Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
>As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it. Was this documented during a test or just anecdata?
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wireless/11099-massive-revela... This sort of thing happens quite a bit actually. In this case, a huge number of residents complained ofvarious illnesses that were supposed to have been caused by a new tower being built in their vicinity. That the symptoms were presented when the tower was not operational is fairly telling that nocebo effect dominates here over any rational or explainab…
Note this has no bearing on whether 5G does or doesn't actually have any deleterious or damaging effects on health.
That being said, it does, as 32032141 suggests, tell a fair amount about nocebo effects.
Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now
#23I looked at some trial 5G gNB; you definitely feel nauseated if u r standing near these units. This will be a concern.
have you also tried to blind-test standing beside one that's switched off and on? Because plenty of people say they can "feel" cellphone radiation (so-called electrosensitivity), yet noone has ever been able to show this under controlled scientific conditions. As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it.
Similar to the studies done on infrasound, which seems to bother residents living near wind farms. The studies show that the biggest indicator of whether you're affected by infrasound is if you're told there is infrasound being emitted...
Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now
#24I live in Brussels, internet over 4G works great and nobody complains about it being slow. I am willing to change my mind if somebody proves why we need to upgrade but (and as much as I love new tech) "if ain't broken dont touch it", if anything just make it cheaper.
4G, just like 3G before it will get slower over time. The spectrum is still shared, and the more devices are connected on the 4G bands, the less bandwith there is for each device. IMHO, 5G is not so much about speed as it is about latency and better handling of devices in high density areas. Regarding the speed aspect, keep in mind that most smartphones (which are the primary 4G connected devices) are not equipped wi…
> 4G, just like 3G before it will get slower over time.
You are correct but that will happen again with 5G and then with 6G and so on. After a period all networks will saturate.
I'm not sure if I'm right about this, but I think one solution could be to increase the network density with the deployment of small cell networks that provide a better local coverage and bandwitdh. A few companies like nokia [1] and ericsson [2] are taking that route.That also requires upgradation on hardware form the operator but at least spares the customer from buying a new equipment.
[1] https://networks.nokia.com/products/small-cells
[2]https://www.ericsson.com/en/networks/offerings/small-cells/o...
Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. It certainly won't kill you but it causes oxidative stress on your cells. 5G just ups the intensity to 11.
> Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. What is this supposed to do?
I guess you won't be bothered with app notifications, unwanted calls or sms messages. That's about it.
Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wireless/11099-massive-revela... This sort of thing happens quite a bit actually. In this case, a huge number of residents complained ofvarious illnesses that were supposed to have been caused by a new tower being built in their vicinity. That the symptoms were presented when the tower was not operational is fairly telling that nocebo effect dominates here over any rational or explainab…
Note this has no bearing on whether 5G does or doesn't actually have any deleterious or damaging effects on health. That being said, it does, as 32032141 suggests, tell a fair amount about nocebo effects.
Indeed. My point was that taking claims about effects from people is effectively worthless in a situation where the "threat" is invisible, effects are subjective, and there's a lot of political motivation for belief in them. In a small city nearby people claimed these sorts of effects in an attempt to prevent a cellphone tower being built and "ruining" their view.
Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now
#27I live in Brussels, internet over 4G works great and nobody complains about it being slow. I am willing to change my mind if somebody proves why we need to upgrade but (and as much as I love new tech) "if ain't broken dont touch it", if anything just make it cheaper.
Once 8k streaming becomes popular 5G will be a must.
The highest 4G speed tiers around here go up to 600Mbps, which should be enough for 8k.
https://elisa.fi/kauppa/#!/nettiliittymat/mobiililaajakaista (Finnish)
Edit: looks like DNA's 4G Max plans go up to at least 880Mbps based on users' speedtest results: https://bbs.io-tech.fi/threads/nettiliittymaesi-taemaenhetki... (Finnish - the 15ms+ ones are from 4G)
Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now
#28You might want to sign the international petition [0] and the petition for Switzerland [1]. [0] https://www.5gspaceappeal.org/the-appeal [1] https://www.change.org/p/p%C3%A9tition-contre-la-5g-et-ses-d...
Did you find those links on a flat earth website? Please, please go and read up on the topic, that might help you falling for pseudo science
Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now
#29You might want to sign the international petition [0] and the petition for Switzerland [1]. [0] https://www.5gspaceappeal.org/the-appeal [1] https://www.change.org/p/p%C3%A9tition-contre-la-5g-et-ses-d...
This whole nonsense just makes me irrationally angry. It’s a serious education issue we have with the absolute basics of electromagnetism. It’s just magic to most people and so they treat it with pure superstition.
Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
4G, just like 3G before it will get slower over time. The spectrum is still shared, and the more devices are connected on the 4G bands, the less bandwith there is for each device. IMHO, 5G is not so much about speed as it is about latency and better handling of devices in high density areas. Regarding the speed aspect, keep in mind that most smartphones (which are the primary 4G connected devices) are not equipped wi…
> 4G, just like 3G before it will get slower over time. You are correct but that will happen again with 5G and then with 6G and so on. After a period all networks will saturate. I'm not sure if I'm right about this, but I think one solution could be to increase the network density with the deployment of small cell networks that provide a better local coverage and bandwitdh. A few companies like nokia [1] and ericsson…
One of the features of 5G is support for high-frequency (30 GHz+), high-bandwidth, small cell networks. Most(?) of the 5G deployments are planned to be of this type.