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Ask HN: Which great products didn't succeed?

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Re: Ask HN: Which great products didn't succeed?

#101

Windows Phone Zune

I had a Zune 120 and I still miss it. What a great, simple player.

On the other hand, it would have gotten a -7 rating on the ifixit scale. The hard drive got jostled one too many times and stopped working properly. I've fixed a lot of phones, but the Zune turned out to be unopenable, if that's even a word.

Actually, that's a lie. It did ultimately open, but the casing cracked repeatedly.

Re: Ask HN: Which great products didn't succeed?

#102
XMPP. The entire chat landscape is a damn travesty right now. First Facebook disappeared behind it’s own walls, then google... I really miss the days where I could use one client to chat with all my contacts. I honestly think Im in contact with less people now because everyone dropped support for open protocols.

Re: Ask HN: Which great products didn't succeed?

#103
Not startup-related, but: Long-life incandescent light bulbs.

They were done in by "planned obsolescence"; I haven't watched this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdh7_PA8GZU) yet but it has a good ratio.

I can't stand the light from LED or fluorescent light bulbs, and GE can pour themselves a warm bath.

Re: Ask HN: Which great products didn't succeed?

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post #102

XMPP. The entire chat landscape is a damn travesty right now. First Facebook disappeared behind it’s own walls, then google... I really miss the days where I could use one client to chat with all my contacts. I honestly think Im in contact with less people now because everyone dropped support for open protocols.

Wouldn’t that qualify as more of a technology than a product?

Re: Ask HN: Which great products didn't succeed?

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post #102

XMPP. The entire chat landscape is a damn travesty right now. First Facebook disappeared behind it’s own walls, then google... I really miss the days where I could use one client to chat with all my contacts. I honestly think Im in contact with less people now because everyone dropped support for open protocols.

I love XMPP. I self-host a prosody server for a group of gopher and public access Linux server users. It's a niche market!

Re: Ask HN: Which great products didn't succeed?

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Usenet, IRC, RSS, XMPP, ... Well, still rockin'

Fun fact, Google uses IRC as a communication channel for incidents[0]. IRC is stable, simple to host and connect to, and easy to log. So all of Google could be on fire, but the incident responders have a simple tool to use to communicate that likely won't die.

[0] https://landing.google.com/sre/sre-book/chapters/managing-in...

Re: Ask HN: Which great products didn't succeed?

#108
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't understand how MS managed to mess up Windows Phone. My girlfriend had one for a while and it was excellent.

Google's monopolistic abuse is a very under-reported part of this story. No Google app suite, which Google is absolutely allowed not to make. So Microsoft made the apps for free for Google, google said no, then Microsoft released their own brand clients (e.g. Microsoft YouTube client, Maps, etc) and Google shut it down with lawyers. Can any platform survive without Google ecosystem support? If Windows Phone was the c…

I commented something like this last time I saw this sentiment on HN.

You forget, or I forgive you if you never knew, that google made really good apps on the old Windows Mobile. Google Maps was especially good on WinCE. Then Microsoft declared all Win32 apps dead in favor of a very half baked Silverlight runtime that didn't have such luxury features as sockets or scrolling that actually works. So if I were calling the shots on Google's end at that time, no way I am going to advocate for a massive rewrite onto a runtime that doesn't work well for a very small number of users.

Microsoft's own boneheaded actions killed Google's goodwill for its mobile platform.

Re: Ask HN: Which great products didn't succeed?

#109
Ringly. It was a well executed niche product that was priced at for-profit margins. Not sure why the company went under, but they did. As anyone with kids know, not everything needs to have a screen or be "smart" (aka pain in the ass). There's a lot to be said for simple, elegant functionality and long battery life. I'm sure that they could relaunch with a 10 person lifestyle company.
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