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Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by maxerickson »

defertoreptar wrote: post #27

When I first saw the subreddit, I thought it was a neat idea. I like the idea of digging into a tough subject and challenging our beliefs. I couldn't put my finger on it for the longest time, but what I eventually realized was that I didn't like how inauthentic the whole thing felt. Changing a deeply held belief just isn't that easy, yet almost every thread has the OP giving a delta. How it appears to me is that peop…

Most of their "true beliefs" are likely enough to be based on wobbly rationalizations.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by maxerickson »

tru3_power wrote: post #80
darkpuma wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the traditional PHP forum has all kinds of senseless 'flare' on each post. Post counts, signup dates, eye catching signatures, etc. A large portion of the screen space on your typical forum is still dedicated to attention seeking behavior. IRC is better. There is very little on screen besides the discussion itself. IRC nicks can be used to grab attention, but there are only a few characters to work with so usual…

Serious question here- but how do I go about finding irc channels for stuff I’m interested in? When I was younger I loved irc but my warez days are long gone and I literally have no idea where to start looking anymore.

Probably just check the major networks for active channels.

There's not that many networks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_Relay_Chat_n...

You can also go in the other direction, checking if the stuff you are interested in lists a channel (which I realize is sort of obvious, whatever).

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by darkpuma »

tru3_power wrote: post #80
darkpuma wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the traditional PHP forum has all kinds of senseless 'flare' on each post. Post counts, signup dates, eye catching signatures, etc. A large portion of the screen space on your typical forum is still dedicated to attention seeking behavior. IRC is better. There is very little on screen besides the discussion itself. IRC nicks can be used to grab attention, but there are only a few characters to work with so usual…

Serious question here- but how do I go about finding irc channels for stuff I’m interested in? When I was younger I loved irc but my warez days are long gone and I literally have no idea where to start looking anymore.

I've always started from topics that I'm interested in, then look if there is an IRC channel.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by maxerickson »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #74
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you've described a major chunk of Slack's business model.

That's for team communication, not the same niche that reddit/Hacker News fill.

It's also used by "interest groups".

OpenStreetMap-US has a slack with ~1400 people.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by markdown »

This feels wrong. I created a niche sub that currently has ~10k users, but I consider the members of the community to be as much the "owners" of it as I am.

Just as I work to keep spammers and self-promoters at bay, I'd find it pretty scummy to form a startup around the sub and make money out of the contributions of thousands of community members.

Separately, I like that at Reddit I know what I get now and very likely to get in the future. But what if ChangeAView pulls a Quora and starts making it harder to view content, like requiring login, etc.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by e1ven »

drcode wrote: post #73
defertoreptar wrote: post #27

When I first saw the subreddit, I thought it was a neat idea. I like the idea of digging into a tough subject and challenging our beliefs. I couldn't put my finger on it for the longest time, but what I eventually realized was that I didn't like how inauthentic the whole thing felt. Changing a deeply held belief just isn't that easy, yet almost every thread has the OP giving a delta. How it appears to me is that peop…

For better or worse, the "delta" concept has become to mean "you made a good point on the opposite side that I hadn't considered" and still serves a useful function in that context.

This is what the guidelines say, and how I've awarded them -

It doesn't mean strictly that you've changed your opinion entirely to agree with them, but that you can appreciate a new perspective.

From https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/wiki/index#wiki_what_i...

"Following on from the previous segment, we therefore believe that a change in view simply means a new perspective. Perhaps, in the example of literally looking at something, you've taken a step to the side; or a few steps; or you've moved around and now stand behind it. Maybe you haven't 'moved', but it looks slightly different to you now; in a new light.

A change in view need not be a reversal. It can be tangential, or takes place on a new axis altogether."

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#87

Post by jasonhansel »

msvan wrote: post #8

It'll be interesting to see if this works. If it does, it means that Reddit mods can gain full ownership of their communities and do something more than just run a volunteer subreddit. If you run a popular sub, I think it's reasonable to ask why you are spending countless unpaid hours tending to a community when someone else reaps all the profit. It's natural to say: "Okay, I have hundreds of thousands of users here…

This may be an interesting way of turning Reddit into a less centralized system

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by huebnerob »

The idea that people’s important opinions can be changed by some sort of silver bullet mega-argument is naive and immature, and frankly a great example of what’s wrong with discourse on the internet.

In this light, the fact that CMV has the hubris to think their ‘experiment’ is significant outside reddit is not surprising, but no less laughable.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by DONT_BE_A_MORON »

defertoreptar wrote: post #27

When I first saw the subreddit, I thought it was a neat idea. I like the idea of digging into a tough subject and challenging our beliefs. I couldn't put my finger on it for the longest time, but what I eventually realized was that I didn't like how inauthentic the whole thing felt. Changing a deeply held belief just isn't that easy, yet almost every thread has the OP giving a delta. How it appears to me is that peop…

They should rename it

> til with flair

as most people are just learning something exists, and it falls foul of the 'right here, right now" fallacy

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#90

Post by JetSpiegel »

sodosopa wrote: post #15
0815test wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could solve both issues by federating with Mastodon instead. No, they wouldn't be on Reddit specifically, but they'd be interacting with a fairly sizeable userbase nonetheless.

Honest question from a Mastodon user. Is it truly that large? Most of the nodes I'm on remind me of 2006 Twitter, shouting in the dark.

As opposed to current Twitter, throwing a message-in-a-bottle into a landfill of messages in bottles.
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