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Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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Having spent a couple of years building apps for KaiOS (which is really Firefox OS), I can say that it's probably the easiest development platform out there - mostly pure web; with some proprietary extensions. I wish Firefox OS hadn't thrown in the towel so early. These devices are selling millions of units every month.

firefox os had so much potential, now with pwa's being the next big thing, it seem like firefox os could be a game changer. Too bad they killed it.

They needed the resources to integrate pocket into firefox

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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Because they were sold as loss leaders on the assumption that people would be paying for time/data on the network.

I don’t think this phone is being sold as a loss leader, though.

I wouldn't be so sure, though it seems more like a Amazon-type play than an ISP pushing plans:

"Customers can get a WizPhone WP006 from vending machines at more than 10,000 Alfamart stores for just USD$7 (IDR99,000)1. Then, with the built-in AllWizapp, customers can unlock shopping benefits in Alfamart by scanning barcodes on each product and making their purchase directly via the app on their WizPhone."

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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Firefox OS was doomed to fail. They created an operating system which used the slowest rendering and JS engine there was and put it in the worst hardware they could find.

These phones run on the same rendering and JS engine... "KaiOS apps are based on web technologies–HTML, CSS, and JavaScript–and are run by Gecko runtime." https://developer.kaiostech.com/

Except that Firefox is phasing out Gecko and replacing it with Servo (we're not yet there but some components have been replaced already - this is what the Firefox Quantum thing was all about). So this KaiOS thing is basically picking up an abandoned project...

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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We're likely approaching the day when it'll be more cheap to attempt to build an open Linux phone from scratch rather than keep waiting for a manufacturer to listen to a few thousand techies who don't want their personal data chewed by proprietary OSes. That milestone will almost certainly be marked by the availability of cheap 3/4G modems (I'd be perfectly fine with 3G if it was the only option). We're not there but…

That's right. This already is happening. I got bored of waiting for "Linux smartphone" and accidentally found that it's actually quite easy and affordable to build a wearable computer from scratch. And I built myself one of course. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/c... I just used new generation of the same display, and a one handed Twiddler 3 keyboard. Raspberry pi doesn't have cellular, so…

What's battery life like? I'm building a (non-wearable) Pi with touchscreen but haven't been able to get a good estimate.

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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We're likely approaching the day when it'll be more cheap to attempt to build an open Linux phone from scratch rather than keep waiting for a manufacturer to listen to a few thousand techies who don't want their personal data chewed by proprietary OSes. That milestone will almost certainly be marked by the availability of cheap 3/4G modems (I'd be perfectly fine with 3G if it was the only option). We're not there but…

The cheapest 4G modem I can find is still $80. I wonder how they are making the entire phone for just $7

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's right. This already is happening. I got bored of waiting for "Linux smartphone" and accidentally found that it's actually quite easy and affordable to build a wearable computer from scratch. And I built myself one of course. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/c... I just used new generation of the same display, and a one handed Twiddler 3 keyboard. Raspberry pi doesn't have cellular, so…

What's battery life like? I'm building a (non-wearable) Pi with touchscreen but haven't been able to get a good estimate.

The screen is the part to choose wisely if you want good battery life.

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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We're likely approaching the day when it'll be more cheap to attempt to build an open Linux phone from scratch rather than keep waiting for a manufacturer to listen to a few thousand techies who don't want their personal data chewed by proprietary OSes. That milestone will almost certainly be marked by the availability of cheap 3/4G modems (I'd be perfectly fine with 3G if it was the only option). We're not there but…

The cheapest 4G modem I can find is still $80. I wonder how they are making the entire phone for just $7

The SoC they are using (Qualcomm 205) seems to be less than $10 in single unit quantities: https://www.kynix.com/Detail/1331087/MSM8905.html

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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The Web makes the underlying OS irrelevant.

I think that may be the point

Running the Linux kernel would just be a pyrrhic victory, as it already happens on Android and ChromeOS.

Any OEM would eventually just replace it for something else, preferably non copyleft.

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