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Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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Having spent a couple of years building apps for KaiOS (which is really Firefox OS), I can say that it's probably the easiest development platform out there - mostly pure web; with some proprietary extensions. I wish Firefox OS hadn't thrown in the towel so early. These devices are selling millions of units every month.

firefox os had so much potential, now with pwa's being the next big thing, it seem like firefox os could be a game changer. Too bad they killed it.

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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JioPhone, which runs on KaiOS has managed to bring WhatsApp to KaiOS[1].

That was the most requested feature on JioPhone 1, when it was released & people were ready to put more money into next cheapest android smartphone to have it. Now, WhatsApp is available on both JioPhone1 & JioPhone2.

Obviously it is packaged standalone version of WhatsApp web. WhatsApp team has been very successful in bring consistent performance of their apps on all platforms they support, so I assume it works well.

[1]:https://blog.whatsapp.com/10000649/WhatsApp-for-JioPhone-on-...

Edit : typo

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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post #53
post #14

Having spent a couple of years building apps for KaiOS (which is really Firefox OS), I can say that it's probably the easiest development platform out there - mostly pure web; with some proprietary extensions. I wish Firefox OS hadn't thrown in the towel so early. These devices are selling millions of units every month.

Like the old Palm Pre?

WebOS was ahead of its time.

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was Firefox OS targetting this kind of phone though? I thought it was trying to be a touch-screen smartphone OS.

Wasn't really, although their focus was on low cost phones too. Credit to KaiOS for recognizing the potential of non-touch devices. However, the effort required to enable a non-touch UI would have been a small fraction of the overall FirefoxOS effort. Something Mozilla could have responded to, if the team was intact.

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Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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It will probably require a plan. Walmart tried selling a $10 prepaid smart phone and they were all bought up by tinkerers. A $10 phone means lots of hobby and maybe even some commercial projects get a cell phone mounted as a touchscreen interface.

In Indonesia, phone plans is not popular. Heck, I can probably say 80% use prepaid. Prepaid is easier to get, cheaper, doesn't require verification (in practice), and promotions heavily favor new SIM cards (so it's very common for people to change number since it's cheaper to get new one vs maintaining it).

source: I'm Indonesian (but I use postpaid).

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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Very nice project. KaiOS also runs on jio phones and they are selling really well in India. Besides 4g these phones also have wifi support. Kai os phones are the only feature phones(I know of) that provide wifi capabilities. By the way I've got a question for people who've used Kai OS / firefox os. To use google apps like youtube/ maps etc do you need to log in like in android?

Just for information, as I do not know if this suits your use case: on my phone, LineageOS with no Play Services installed, I can watch YouTube using Firefox + the website. Maps 10.1 can be installed via Yalp Store and works pretty well.

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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KaiOS offers a decent package.

But unfortunately, there are many things missing yet.

- decent crypto base - decent set of apps (with contraints on user/input interfaces) [ as of now, there isn't an email app available yet! ]

And pretty much every phone vendor/TelCo is building a walled-garden and an appstore on their own, considering the licensing possibilities offered by KaiOS. Every TelCo will block sideloading of apps and restrict users from offering a full fledged KaiOS experience, as it turned out in the Android world.

Jio runs Jio AppStore. >> Please note: while the JioPhone runs on KaiOS, its app store is managed by Reliance Jio and called the JioStore. For this reason, we can’t guarantee the below apps will be available on the JioPhone, nor does it mean apps available on the JioPhone are available in other countries.

From https://www.kaiostech.com/meet-the-apps-available-on-kaios/

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that a problem?

Because they were sold as loss leaders on the assumption that people would be paying for time/data on the network.

I don’t think this phone is being sold as a loss leader, though.

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

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post #65
post #7

Very nice project. KaiOS also runs on jio phones and they are selling really well in India. Besides 4g these phones also have wifi support. Kai os phones are the only feature phones(I know of) that provide wifi capabilities. By the way I've got a question for people who've used Kai OS / firefox os. To use google apps like youtube/ maps etc do you need to log in like in android?

You can use the Gapps you mentioned even on Android without logging in I think. At least on older Androids (4.x)

Yes. But on Android they are pre installed.... Not sure how it works ok Kai....
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