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Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by vlaak »

natch wrote: post #457
dondawest wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re being fed false information if you think that those buttons cover all the typical functions people rely on buttons to perform. The fact is that Tesla cars encourage distracted driving by forcing drivers to avert their eyes from the road and look at an LED screen every time they want to do something as simple as turn on the air conditioning.

Nice try attempting to turn the wording around, but you fell flat, and it's not constructive. The OP thinks there are no buttons at all. If you're changing the AC that often, AC can be reached and adjusted with muscle memory. No need to look. The controls are at a fixed point on the screen, near the edge, easy to brace a hand there (or not) if desired while using a thumb or finger to make a selection. Next time have…

I take it you're in favor of the rumored glass keyboards coming out soon in laptops. I'm not.

Physical buttons are key when operating a vehicle IMO. Furthermore, I'd prefer big ass buttons and knobs so that there is as little reason as possible for people to take their eyes off the road.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by steelframe »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #445
steelframe wrote: post #440

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Here's a screenshot with all the CCS chargers either currently operating or under active construction in the state of Washington: https://imgur.com/a/JEQv9a2 I don't see how you could consider that coverage in any way inadequate.

I don't need HVDC charging in my local metro area; I have AC charging for that. I do need charging along the highways so I can increase my range and travel to other cities. Looking at the PlugShare map, it seems like many of the chargers along the highways only have a single HVDC charging station. Even if we exclude malfunctions, that can mean multiple hours of wait or else a gamble on driving further and not getting…

I had expected we would debate applied crypto and key management if we ever were to debate. But the subject of EVs will do just fine.

Totally agreed on the road trip issue. I wouldn't want to bet my ability to continue a trip out of Superior, Montana on whether or not that one sketchy charger is accessible and functional when I need it.

By way of reference to an actual event, that's exactly the situation I was faced with when the Superior, Montana Tesla supercharger failed when I tried using it in a heat wave during the summer of 2017.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by steelframe »

dondawest wrote: post #459
natch wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be surprised. Charging is pretty fast if you run down the battery to say 10 - 20% and then charge only what you need at each supercharger along the way. Overall it is a bit slower than an ICE car if the ICE car is not taking any breaks, but the other aspects of the car make this a very small price to pay. Over time as the supercharger network gets faster and with free software updates the gap will narrow as…

It is dramatically slower than ICE cars dude. Over time ... it will still be dramatically slower. Teslas are an expensive fragile toy for rich people that can afford to stop for an hour every few hundred miles. But literally who wants to do that ?!?!? Not me

> Over time ... with free software updates the gap will narrow as well.

Yeah, this guy's drinking the Koolaid. I've tried a road trip in a Tesla exactly once. I drive gas on road trips now.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by [deleted] »

natch wrote: post #438
steelframe wrote: post #233

Data point: I'm a current Tesla owner who during Q1 was in the market for replacing my remaining gas-powered car with an EV. Looking at the options available, the direction I'm seeing with respect to charging infrastructure, and the character of the company (yes, there's a touchy-feely part to me), I went with a Jaguar I-PACE instead of another Tesla. I feel that directly contributed to at least one lost potential sa…

Nice try on using that hyperbolic wording, but the Supercharger network is growing like crazy, not on life support as you put it. And the charging infrastructure is not as closed as you are suggesting, as has been explained here repeatedly. What does the I-Pace charging network look like right now? Do they have a map of current high speed chargers? > stop lying to me about fully self-driving capabilities. This is aga…

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Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by et2o »

et2o wrote: post #381
dmode wrote: post #375

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This data point has no correlation with the headline. As Tesla has no problem selling Model 3s - the car with absolutely no buttons. The market has spoken and there is overwhelming support for no button car. Deliver reduction is primarily due to Fed tax credit expiry, shipping bottlenecks, and slowing S/X sales since they are very old cars. Also, Tesla making ~70k vehicles in a quarter is a remarkable achievement as…

I think the Jaguar competes price-wise more with the Model S and X then Model 3. Since he/she bought it instead of a Tesla, parent does correspond to headline.

*than

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Post by steelframe »

stefanfisk wrote: post #449
natch wrote: post #430

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It’s not proprietary in the sense that the offer has been made for any car company to use the same connector technology (and even the supercharger network) royalty free. No car companies have taken Tesla up on this offer. The ones that expressed interest wanted Tesla to make needless changes... but part of the deal with Tesla offering the tech is that it has to be done in a way that does not burn extra engineering ti…

Where can one read more about which competitors expressen interest and why it fell through?

I suspect we can't.

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Post by steelframe »

xedeon wrote: post #414
steelframe wrote: post #233

Data point: I'm a current Tesla owner who during Q1 was in the market for replacing my remaining gas-powered car with an EV. Looking at the options available, the direction I'm seeing with respect to charging infrastructure, and the character of the company (yes, there's a touchy-feely part to me), I went with a Jaguar I-PACE instead of another Tesla. I feel that directly contributed to at least one lost potential sa…

I’m sorry but the I-Pace is a terrible value, just like the e-tron: https://twitter.com/matty_mogul/status/1113871540158914561 But to each his own, I guess.

"Value" has more than one dimension.

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Post by unityByFreedom »

mikeash wrote: post #369
navigatesol wrote: post #313

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> I don’t know if I should believe the analysis. What "analysis" is necessary? There are threads of people going around the country, taking photographs of parking and car lots filled to the brim with Teslas. How do you explain it? The cars are made-to-order, I'm assured. Furthermore, I don't understand "can't believe an account that attacks Tesla". What do you believe is more likely: 1. A random person wakes up one d…

Have you observed the internet at all? If the internet were a country, hating would be the national sport. Does that mean this particular guy must be a hater? No, of course not. But there are tons of them out there. A twitter account is pretty mild compared to, for example, the guy who makes a hobby out of filing safety complaints with the NHTSA about random Tesla crashes he sees online. I see no possible comparison…

> Tesla may have its faults, but there’s no question that they’ve built and sold hundreds of thousands of cars.

Whoever said cars could not be created? That argument ignores the nuance of everything regarding manufacture quality and scale w/computer-vision driven robots, full self-driving, the autonomous taxi Tesla network, etc.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by steelframe »

natch wrote: post #438
steelframe wrote: post #233

Data point: I'm a current Tesla owner who during Q1 was in the market for replacing my remaining gas-powered car with an EV. Looking at the options available, the direction I'm seeing with respect to charging infrastructure, and the character of the company (yes, there's a touchy-feely part to me), I went with a Jaguar I-PACE instead of another Tesla. I feel that directly contributed to at least one lost potential sa…

Nice try on using that hyperbolic wording, but the Supercharger network is growing like crazy, not on life support as you put it. And the charging infrastructure is not as closed as you are suggesting, as has been explained here repeatedly. What does the I-Pace charging network look like right now? Do they have a map of current high speed chargers? > stop lying to me about fully self-driving capabilities. This is aga…

Oh, sorry. I wasn't aware that Tesla has actually been saying, "We're quickly learning that FSD is orders of magnitude more difficult than we originally thought. If you buy AP2 with the FSD option, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that you'll actually get FSD on your AP2, and you'll never be able to upgrade your car with the hardware we sort of think you'll maybe actually need." I guess I just haven't been paying attention!

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by natch »

steelframe wrote: post #463
dondawest wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is dramatically slower than ICE cars dude. Over time ... it will still be dramatically slower. Teslas are an expensive fragile toy for rich people that can afford to stop for an hour every few hundred miles. But literally who wants to do that ?!?!? Not me

> Over time ... with free software updates the gap will narrow as well. Yeah, this guy's drinking the Koolaid. I've tried a road trip in a Tesla exactly once. I drive gas on road trips now.

There are right and wrong ways to do charging on a road trip. If you’re such a noob that you’ve only done it once, you very likely may have been doing it wrong. So I wouldn’t give your anecdata much weight.
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