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Re: Buy Yourself a Latte

#202

or you could blow your ten year latte budge on a bigger fancier car. but nobody talks about having to drive a budget compact vehicle to become a millionaire. so puhlease.

Or you could study, improve your skills and get more money to be able to afford the bigger car, among other things while still having the latte.

Re: Buy Yourself a Latte

#203
I think the point of the Latte factor, isn't that you shouldn't buy expensive coffee drink. The bigger problem is mindless spending racks up the expense column without adding much value.

Once you get into the habit of getting a coffee from an artisan coffee shop everyday, the value of that great cup of coffee diminishes, and you start to spend money out of habit, not because it adds any more joy, pleasure, or value to you. This is the same as eating out everyday for lunch.

And if mindless consumption seeps into every other aspect of your life, then that's going to cost you dearly.

Re: Buy Yourself a Latte

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post #186

I grew up in a poor family, could never afford anything unless miracles happened, never went on any trips etc. I later scaled all the way up to much more than I needed as a software developer and lately I'm pretty much down to nothing. The main thing I learned over 42 years of going back and forth is that a warm place to sleep, good health, good food (and coffee) and nice, caring people are priceless. Money is the ul…

Hmm... or it's just proving that the coffee has more power over me.

Re: Buy Yourself a Latte

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post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to buy $5 lattes unless they have already socked away 15% of their income into a retirement account, have at least 6 months of salary in a savings safety fund, and generally live about 10% below their means or can manage to articulately justify it to internet strangers as somehow having gotten a lot out of it while homeless.” ― Anatole France's great, gr…

>It is not how most rich people got rich by any stretch of the imagination. Have you read the Millionaire Next Door? I suppose it depends how you define "rich" these days, but the data in that book seems to indicate that most US dollar millionaire households are dual middle income workers who live below their means for decades and actively save and invest the difference.

Most poor people are poor because they have special needs and/or are responsible for others with such. They can't reliably work a full time job or doing so comes at a real cost and they are constantly working at just being able to show up at all.

From what I have read, most rich people are business people. They got there by growing a thing of value. They own the local gas station or, these days, they got into YC and got VC money plus assistance figuring out how to grow a business. There is also the standard trope of "He got rich the old fashioned way: He inherited it."

As a teen, I expected to be part of a two-career couple. I didn't know I had an undiagnosed genetic disorder. I didn't expect to have two special-needs children. I didn't expect my husband's career to be antithetical to me developing a career of my own.

An awful lot of things have to go right for two people to both work consistently for decades while living below their means, including marrying someone who is on the same page with you in that regard. My ex and I not being on the same page about money was a major bone of contention in the marriage.

Money is usually one of the top two issues in bad marriages. Then divorce tends to do an excellent job of seriously damaging one's finances, even if they were in good shape beforehand.

I have two adult sons that still live with me. I keep saying "If we each earned X amount per month, our financial problems would be solved! We could sock away money like crazy, buy a house, etc!"

So far, we haven't figured out how to get all three of us working full time and hitting X amount per month.

Not everyone is able bodied. Not everyone has marketable skills. Sexism, racism and so forth are alive and well and have very real impacts on the lives of a lot of poor people. Etc.

It's really rather insulting to probably most of the world to act like all you have to do is marry the right person and both of you have long and successful careers and both of you be on the same page about money and live below your means. It's not that hard!

While the divorce rate in the US hovers around 50 percent.

Historically, yes, if you got a job and kept your nose clean and yadda, your job provided you with retirement and medical coverage, etc. A lot of people these days are working for the gig economy with no benefits and making pathetic amounts of money.

I'm always interested in learning what actually works and how things actually get done. But most of the arguments here amount to victim blaming, and don't confuse me with the facts.

So it might be time for me step away from this discussion. I'm really finding the subtext of a lot of it quite infuriating.

Re: Buy Yourself a Latte

#207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is an interesting phenomena, because it's a relatively expensive product for what it is, but it's also an experience. Even though my wife and I do quite well financially (and save plenty for ourselves, our kids college, etc), I noticed we were spending "too much" on espressos and lattes. Not too much for our financial situation, but too much for my comfort level at least. So, we bought a $600 espresso machine, whi…

I could drink coffee/tea at home - but I use going to get a drink as an excuse for getting out of the house for a bit.

I do too, just not as often as I used to, and I think about other places now too.

Re: Buy Yourself a Latte

#208
> Inflation Adjust It

false. Because the coffee cost also "inflation adjusts", and would probably put the target closer to the $1mm that Orman originally claimed.

> If you earn only the median income of 61,372 – and never receive a raise for 40 years – that adds up to $2,454,880

Only if you're committing massive tax fraud. Last I checked, the gov lightens your load by about 37% each year.

She's not perfect, but if she gets a large amount of people out of financially clueless to financially "aware and avoidant of obvious mistakes", she's doing a lot of people a great favor.

Re: Buy Yourself a Latte

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post #186

I grew up in a poor family, could never afford anything unless miracles happened, never went on any trips etc. I later scaled all the way up to much more than I needed as a software developer and lately I'm pretty much down to nothing. The main thing I learned over 42 years of going back and forth is that a warm place to sleep, good health, good food (and coffee) and nice, caring people are priceless. Money is the ul…

Same for me, but on the flipside I would say that learning to be fastidious with disposable income and growing my wealth was something I had to learn about the hard way, since I never had any exposure to this type of planning when growing up.

It's not really who controls who here, it's about knowing you're secure about the future while still enjoying the moment, even a latte. Maybe we're saying the same thing but in a different way.

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