Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE
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Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE
#2> "Motel 6's actions tore families apart and violated the privacy rights of tens of thousands of Washingtonians,"
What? I'm pretty sure ICE's actions were what tore those families apart. Why aren't they being punished for illegally requesting the data without a warrant? Maybe the Motel 6 employees who wrongfully gave the data felt pressured, given that ICE is a government agency just like the DOJ?
Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE
#3Good, hopefully this deters others
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#4incredible.. just incredible. Its like the last days of the Soviet Union here.
Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE
#5> "Motel 6's actions tore families apart and violated the privacy rights of tens of thousands of Washingtonians," What? I'm pretty sure ICE's actions were what tore those families apart. Why aren't they being punished for illegally requesting the data without a warrant? Maybe the Motel 6 employees who wrongfully gave the data felt pressured, given that ICE is a government agency just like the DOJ?
Why not both?
Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE
#6> "Motel 6's actions tore families apart and violated the privacy rights of tens of thousands of Washingtonians," What? I'm pretty sure ICE's actions were what tore those families apart. Why aren't they being punished for illegally requesting the data without a warrant? Maybe the Motel 6 employees who wrongfully gave the data felt pressured, given that ICE is a government agency just like the DOJ?
> Why aren't they being punished for illegally requesting the data without a warrant?
It's generally not illegal for ICE (or government more generally) to request information without a warrant (not having a warrant or other compulsory basis just means people are not legally compelled to acquiesce to the request), and the state consumer protection law at issue neither purports to, nor could it Constitutionally, apply to federal law enforcement agencies.
Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE
#7> "Motel 6's actions tore families apart and violated the privacy rights of tens of thousands of Washingtonians," What? I'm pretty sure ICE's actions were what tore those families apart. Why aren't they being punished for illegally requesting the data without a warrant? Maybe the Motel 6 employees who wrongfully gave the data felt pressured, given that ICE is a government agency just like the DOJ?
How was it illegal for ICE to request the data? It certainly wasn't ethical, but what is right and what is legal are not the same thing. Hell it sounds like the only law broken according to the article was a Washington State consumer protection law. Hence the settlement is against Motel 6 and not against ICE.
Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE
#8> "Motel 6's actions tore families apart and violated the privacy rights of tens of thousands of Washingtonians," What? I'm pretty sure ICE's actions were what tore those families apart. Why aren't they being punished for illegally requesting the data without a warrant? Maybe the Motel 6 employees who wrongfully gave the data felt pressured, given that ICE is a government agency just like the DOJ?
How was it illegal for ICE to request the data? It certainly wasn't ethical, but what is right and what is legal are not the same thing. Hell it sounds like the only law broken according to the article was a Washington State consumer protection law. Hence the settlement is against Motel 6 and not against ICE.
Perhaps it's not illegal by the letter of the law, but it certainly seems like a major injustice to me. Could it be considered entrapment if Motel 6 was pressured into giving ICE the information?
Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE
#9> "Motel 6's actions tore families apart and violated the privacy rights of tens of thousands of Washingtonians," What? I'm pretty sure ICE's actions were what tore those families apart. Why aren't they being punished for illegally requesting the data without a warrant? Maybe the Motel 6 employees who wrongfully gave the data felt pressured, given that ICE is a government agency just like the DOJ?
How was it illegal for ICE to request the data? It certainly wasn't ethical, but what is right and what is legal are not the same thing. Hell it sounds like the only law broken according to the article was a Washington State consumer protection law. Hence the settlement is against Motel 6 and not against ICE.
Part of the trouble is ICE's "requests" are not always purported as requests.
See recent attempt in New York by ICE agent that he had a legally enforceable warrant and that his goal of detaining a vehicle occupant was not simply a request. [1]
The ICE officer in this case even quotes a statute that implied the driver might face penalties for not complying with the officer's demands.
Given this behavior, I wonder what the Washington state ICE agents' conversations with the motel employees were like.
This is not the only concerning incident with ICE in Washington state, recently ICE officers boarded a Greyhound bus and demanded a Portland-based comedian and grantee of legal US asylum come off the bus and forced him to show papers. [2]
This one struck home for me because I had seen one of this comedian's performances (an act which includes discussion of race and nationalism issues) not far from where I live a week prior.
The pattern of behavior from ICE is deeply upsetting.
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/29/an-activist...
[2] https://www.oregonlive.com/today/2019/01/portland-comedian-s...
Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE
#10> "Motel 6's actions tore families apart and violated the privacy rights of tens of thousands of Washingtonians," What? I'm pretty sure ICE's actions were what tore those families apart. Why aren't they being punished for illegally requesting the data without a warrant? Maybe the Motel 6 employees who wrongfully gave the data felt pressured, given that ICE is a government agency just like the DOJ?
This is not the first time law enforcement has gone for motel records, nor even local cops being friendly with the night attendant. Motel 6 should be (or should have been) telling their employees that they aren't required to hand out any information without a court order or warrant.