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Second-Order Thinking: What Smart People Use to Outperform (2016)

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This closely mirrors my own thesis on genius. There are first level, direct thinkers. This is the lower 50% of all people, although everyone is capable of it. It is direct and without irony, sarcasm, or self reflection. Think slapstick comedy, or superhero movies. The second level is in 4th wall breaking, analogy, simile, anything which takes "getting" the joke beyond the purely visual. Most people who consider thems…

You should check out the concept of the "SOLO Hierarchy" by Raymond Lister.

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post #53

This isn't second order thinking. Deciding to eat a salad when you're hungry instead of a candy bar because you value health over immediate satisfaction is discipline, not intelligence. You're still thinking linearly about the costs and benefits of the decision, you're just placing more emphasis on the longer term costs and benefits. Second order thinking refers to holistically looking at a situation to see emergent…

The first thing I thought of in that salad example was to understand why I am hungry. Am I hungry because I’m really just thirsty and need water? And am I not drinking enough water because I chose coffee twice in a row earlier this morning? It’s more like I evaluate in historical choices and need to give more thought to upcoming choices.

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This closely mirrors my own thesis on genius. There are first level, direct thinkers. This is the lower 50% of all people, although everyone is capable of it. It is direct and without irony, sarcasm, or self reflection. Think slapstick comedy, or superhero movies. The second level is in 4th wall breaking, analogy, simile, anything which takes "getting" the joke beyond the purely visual. Most people who consider thems…

> It is direct and without irony, sarcasm, or self reflection. Think slapstick comedy, or superhero movies.

RDJ/Tony Stark would like a word with you.

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"For example, consider a country that, wanting to inspire regime change in another country, funds and provides weapons to a group of “moderate rebels.” Only it turns out that those moderate rebels will become powerful and then go to war with the sponsoring country for decades. Whoops."

Unless you want to make it look like a beneficial regime change but your actual wish is long term destabilization of a region ;)

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This closely mirrors my own thesis on genius. There are first level, direct thinkers. This is the lower 50% of all people, although everyone is capable of it. It is direct and without irony, sarcasm, or self reflection. Think slapstick comedy, or superhero movies. The second level is in 4th wall breaking, analogy, simile, anything which takes "getting" the joke beyond the purely visual. Most people who consider thems…

1st Level - Rick & Morty

2nd Level - Bojack Horseman

3rd Level - Moral Orel

4th Level - Xavier: Renegade Angel

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post #14

Ordinary people don't like when they are getting asked "And then what?" Socrates kept asking questions. That was his defining characteristic. We know how that went...

I think the story of socrates has repeated itself multiple times over the course of history.

Very often men who were ahead of their times were prosecuted for being right.

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post #21

I think this article is saying: - 1st order thinkers primarily see causes and *direct* effects. - 2nd order thinkers frequently see causes and their *indirect* effects. I guess that seems like a reasonable idea. For what it's worth, the truly exceptional people I've met in life had a different quality. * When most people are presented with a difficult/challenging problem, they soon give up. * The most exceptional peo…

What I prefer, rathet than blunt endurance, is efficient in testing hypothesis. A radar for aesthethics.

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This closely mirrors my own thesis on genius. There are first level, direct thinkers. This is the lower 50% of all people, although everyone is capable of it. It is direct and without irony, sarcasm, or self reflection. Think slapstick comedy, or superhero movies. The second level is in 4th wall breaking, analogy, simile, anything which takes "getting" the joke beyond the purely visual. Most people who consider thems…

My favourite way of illustrating the difference between 1st order and 2nd order thinking is actually a quote by Frederik Pohl:

"A good science fiction story should be able to predict not the automobile but the traffic jam."

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