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The parent nailed it. It's easy to complain about PHP from various standpoints both pragmatic and PL-centric, but it has an amazing superpower which might be summed as "serverless for the web, v0".
No deployment setup will ever match the pure joy of dragging a .php file into WinFTP, watching the little blue progress bar, and refreshing your browser.
I wonder how much of Perl's decline can be attributed to the Duke-Nukem-Forever-tier delay in releasing perl6. It seemed like so much of the web ran on it in the late 90s and early 2000s that it would have at least as much traction as PHP does today.
One can speculate what might have happened if focus had been put on evolving Perl5, or getting Rakudo production-ready as-is instead of going through yet another round of 'tinkering' (eg making the compiler backend-independent, the New Object Model refactor, creation of MoarVM, the Great List Refactor, ...) - however my crystal ball seems to be broken and just continues to display 42 no matter the question...
I miss Perl. Why did PHP win again, in the late 90s? (though I'm mostly Python these days and shan't complain, there was a good 10 year stretch of PHP there I'm not proud of).
> source code not available yet because i am bad at GitHub I had to chuckle at that. The whole this is so ridiculous and it's wonderful :D
Full proceedings document for this year: http://sigbovik.org/2019/proceedings.pdf
> Also, ImageNet’s website was down on the day that we decided to perform this research. We therefore paid an unemployed person to download 100 examples of paint-splatter artwork by searching Pinterest using the query “paint splatter wallpaper”. Such brutal honesty would be welcome in other papers.
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PHP won because it was easy to install and restrict (by memory usage) on shared servers, as well as the fact that writing a PHP script was as simple as renaming an .html file to .php so web designers who wanted some dynamic functionality could use it really easily. As bad as some aspects of PHP were, making it so trivial to install and make available on a server was a brilliant move that lots of languages could still…
Interesting. Similar to how typescript can be added with a rename from foo.js to foo.ts.
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Because for anything you wanted to do there were 6 different ways to do it in Perl, making it rather hard to learn Perl. Perl also looks like line noise, which makes it hard to read. PHP also won because you can take a .html file add and it's a valid PHP program. Perl was harder.
It only looks like line noise if you make it look like line noise.
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No deployment setup will ever match the pure joy of dragging a .php file into WinFTP, watching the little blue progress bar, and refreshing your browser.
Yes! But not exactly relevant: this deployment technology is supported by Perl/CGI just as well.
> Also, ImageNet’s website was down on the day that we decided to perform this research. We therefore paid an unemployed person to download 100 examples of paint-splatter artwork by searching Pinterest using the query “paint splatter wallpaper”. Such brutal honesty would be welcome in other papers.
> Such brutal honesty would be welcome in other papers.
To say nothing of the commitment to employment fairness!
Perl is a mess.