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Post by mprev »

wokkel wrote: post #203
holoduke wrote: post #6

But still, the number of Tesla's driving around here in the Netherlands is just impressive. I do believe in a bright future for the Tesla car brand.

You do realize that they were subsidized a lot. If you got in early and combined it with some other subsidies the 100k model S cost about 20k. Now that the subsidy is largely gone i'd be surprised if the sales stay that high. You see the same with the Mitsubishi Outlander: sales dropped to nearly zero after the hybrid subsidy was taken away.

€80k subsidy? Surely there’d be a national outcry.

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Post by matthewdgreen »

steelframe wrote: post #233

Data point: I'm a current Tesla owner who during Q1 was in the market for replacing my remaining gas-powered car with an EV. Looking at the options available, the direction I'm seeing with respect to charging infrastructure, and the character of the company (yes, there's a touchy-feely part to me), I went with a Jaguar I-PACE instead of another Tesla. I feel that directly contributed to at least one lost potential sa…

Another Tesla owner here. For me everything you say sounds convincing until I look at the Supercharging network. From my perspective every single issue you mention is a valid point; it's just that Tesla's nationwide (in North America) supercharging network is worth 5,000 points. When other manufacturers solve this problem (and Tesla hasn't met their quality standards) those manufacturers will be an option.

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Post by Brakenshire »

adrr wrote: post #161
Brakenshire wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t charge a Honda at home, and that with a 200+ mile range covers the vast majority of usage. And then when you do need to drive 200+ miles in a day, which for most people is a handful of days a year, you can use chargers which add 100 miles in 10 minutes. The extent of the charging network is really the only major issue left. It depends on your use case, for an urban, suburban setting or as a second car it’s…

I have Tesla and use Superchargers. It’s 7.00 for 100 miles and it takes 30 minutes not 10 and they are usually full so I have to wait. We use our gas car for road trips and skiing. The supercharger wait times up to mammoth are 2+ hours.

Think it’s 130 miles in 10 minutes at maximum for the long range model 3 with the v3 charger. It's a 10 minutes break every 2 hours, not an issue for most people. The big remaining issue is the availability of charging points.

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Post by jumbopapa »

weaklearner wrote: post #263
jumbopapa wrote: post #201

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Post by Brakenshire »

dragontamer wrote: post #229
Brakenshire wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t charge a Honda at home, and that with a 200+ mile range covers the vast majority of usage. And then when you do need to drive 200+ miles in a day, which for most people is a handful of days a year, you can use chargers which add 100 miles in 10 minutes. The extent of the charging network is really the only major issue left. It depends on your use case, for an urban, suburban setting or as a second car it’s…

> You can’t charge a Honda at home Honda Clarity begs to differ. > And then when you do need to drive 200+ miles in a day, which for most people is a handful of days a year, you can use chargers which add 100 miles in 10 minutes. Not as good as a "charger" (Gas Station) that adds 300 miles in 2 minutes.

I’m talking about EV’s in general, Honda Clarity is another decent example.

If your car always starts each day with 250 miles range, stopping to charge outside of the house is a rare ocurrence. Having a break for 20 minutes rather than 5 minutes after 3 hours of driving, a handful of times each year, isn’t my idea of a dealbreaker.

The big problem as I say is the extent of the network, especially in rural areas. Most of the adoption over the next 5-10 years will likely be in cities and suburbs.

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Post by maxxxxx »

adamvalve wrote: post #306
legitster wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mazda developed their physical controls by blindfolding testers and making sure they could use everything on touch alone. In comparison, Tesla's approach of putting everything in a single touchscreen is a cost cutting measure being sold as trendy BS. And dangerous to boot.

Who moved my cheese? It really isn't a huge deal. There is a divide that I notice, older people cling to buttons and younger people are fine getting rid of them. Is it dangerous? Hardly, I just wait till I stop if I need to adjust something that isn't on my steering wheel which is actually pretty rare.

" I just wait till I stop if I need to adjust something"

A lot of people don't stop for sending texts so I doubt they will stop to adjust the temperature.

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Post by xkjkls »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #332
steelframe wrote: post #233

Data point: I'm a current Tesla owner who during Q1 was in the market for replacing my remaining gas-powered car with an EV. Looking at the options available, the direction I'm seeing with respect to charging infrastructure, and the character of the company (yes, there's a touchy-feely part to me), I went with a Jaguar I-PACE instead of another Tesla. I feel that directly contributed to at least one lost potential sa…

Another Tesla owner here. For me everything you say sounds convincing until I look at the Supercharging network. From my perspective every single issue you mention is a valid point; it's just that Tesla's nationwide (in North America) supercharging network is worth 5,000 points. When other manufacturers solve this problem (and Tesla hasn't met their quality standards) those manufacturers will be an option.

It doesn't seem hard for other manufacturers to come to an industry standard for car charging, and then have that built out. There's only 119 supercharging stations in the US. For the rest of the automotive industry to match that, especially if they all decide to collaborate, would take less than a year to catch up.

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Post by dragontamer »

Brakenshire wrote: post #335
dragontamer wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can’t charge a Honda at home Honda Clarity begs to differ. > And then when you do need to drive 200+ miles in a day, which for most people is a handful of days a year, you can use chargers which add 100 miles in 10 minutes. Not as good as a "charger" (Gas Station) that adds 300 miles in 2 minutes.

I’m talking about EV’s in general, Honda Clarity is another decent example. If your car always starts each day with 250 miles range, stopping to charge outside of the house is a rare ocurrence. Having a break for 20 minutes rather than 5 minutes after 3 hours of driving, a handful of times each year, isn’t my idea of a dealbreaker. The big problem as I say is the extent of the network, especially in rural areas. Most…

Depends. My family always stops at a particular location in Virginia whenever we travel south (or back north) on vacations. Its literally a family tradition. There's no Supercharger close by, but plenty of gas stations.

To go pure electric would mean giving up this yearly family tradition for our summer road-trips. We'd have to change the stop to fit the car (ie: find a new spot closer to a supercharger). That's definitely not worth the hassle.

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We stop for 30+ minutes by the way for food and mental breaks while driving. But the LOCATION we stop at could be a national park, a mall, little towns we've grown to love, etc. etc.

A few of those locations DO have superchargers. But the majority of them do NOT. As such, a pure electric car would force us to give up family road-trip traditions.

> I’m talking about EV’s in general, Honda Clarity is another decent example.

Honda Clarity has 47 mile all-electric range, and 300-mile range on the gas generator. It can perpetually exist on gasoline. But typical day trips to and from work can likely be within the all-electric range.

It won't go onto gas-generator mode unless the battery gets low. Something like this vehicle would work for my family.

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Post by dragonwriter »

adamvalve wrote: post #306
legitster wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mazda developed their physical controls by blindfolding testers and making sure they could use everything on touch alone. In comparison, Tesla's approach of putting everything in a single touchscreen is a cost cutting measure being sold as trendy BS. And dangerous to boot.

Who moved my cheese? It really isn't a huge deal. There is a divide that I notice, older people cling to buttons and younger people are fine getting rid of them. Is it dangerous? Hardly, I just wait till I stop if I need to adjust something that isn't on my steering wheel which is actually pretty rare.

> Is it dangerous? Hardly, I just wait till I stop if I need to adjust something that isn't on my steering wheel

You say “Hardly”, and then discuss a behavior designed to mitigate the fact that exactly the thing you are denying is true.

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Post by xkjkls »

ajross wrote: post #278
twblalock wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jaguar is part of Tata. If Tata gets good at manufacturing electric cars in large quantities it would be a big deal.

The point was more that Tesla has already scaled beyond the level where "these companies know how to build cars" is reasonable spin. Tesla's building plenty of cars, making money doing so, scaling rapidly, and can only be expected to be doing better still by the time those competitors arrive in the market. That's not to say that they won't be highly competetive cars, they might (I for one certainly hope they are). Bu…

They still have only 1! factory. Compared to any almost any other automotive manufacturer that is a bespoke operation.
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