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Re: Facebook Asking for Some New Users' Email Passwords

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

tantalor wrote: post #101
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the problem now though. We've made it so apps have to be approved by gatekeepers, and are highly discouraged by the gatekeepers from sharing state with other apps on the same device. Then the recommendation if that's a problem for you is to use the web. But sometimes the web doesn't work, as is the case here, because it requires the user to trust third party code in real time and give sensitive data to third p…

> highly discouraged by the gatekeepers from sharing state Source? My understanding is the app permission model never asks for network access, so all "apps" are effectively web clients with a fancy UI.

> Source?

Example:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19521211

I'm not talking about sharing state with your webserver, I'm talking about two apps on your phone sharing state directly with each other without ever leaving the device or becoming accessible to a third party.

Desktop operating systems have a slew of ways to facilitate this, and the mobile gatekeepers keep eroding them. They're also terrible at dependency management (a completely solved problem in real package managers), which discourages creating apps that depend on other apps.

There are still ways to do any given thing, but if you make it harder then you make it rarer.

Re: Facebook Asking for Some New Users' Email Passwords

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Post by CamelCaseName »

emilsedgh wrote: post #186
threeseed wrote: post #155

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You can't possibly be serious. Google continues to make the majority of their money from advertising. And since those early days they have not released a single product which has helped to diversify their revenue stream. But they've had plenty of failures along the way. Facebook is far more interesting in terms of diversification. Payments via Messenger/WhatsApp is going to be great for them and is already doing well…

Did you just discard Google Cloud, Youtube Rentals, Google Apps,etc but give Facebook credit for messenger payments?

Out of curiosity, are revenue / profit figures for YouTube Rentals, Youtube Premium, and YouTube Music available anywhere?

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Post by methodover »

PunksATawnyFill wrote: post #364

NEVER force people to use an E-mail address as a user ID. Doing so is amateur-hour and straight-up STUPID: https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/forcing-people-to-us...

Credential stuffing is a huge problem.

I am not sure if allowing users to use non-email addresses as a user-name helps solve that problem, though. I would be interested in reading research on the subject.

Re: Facebook Asking for Some New Users' Email Passwords

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Post by niij »

niij wrote: post #284
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #18

All of these types of "hey, give us your password to this other system" are just training users to get phished. IMO the worst offender in this is Plaid, which has created a service where millions of people are giving their banking credentials so some random startup can mine your transaction data. And people think FB has privacy implications...

Transfund does this now. I tried complaining to their support and they just don't get it. Account/routing number should be enough, they don't need access to my transactions, etc. Add that on top of increasing fees and I'm seeking alternatives.

*Sorry, I meant Transferwise.com

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Post by manderley »

londons_explore wrote: post #278
manderley wrote: post #184

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The new EU Financial Services Directive formalizes this process and forces banks to provide an API for third-party payment providers.

The API is read-only for now. If you can't make payments using it, a lot of the benefits are gone.

This is changing by September 2019, "Payment Initiation Services Providers (PISP) is the term used by the EU.

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Post by tomc1985 »

eertami wrote: post #157
aphextron wrote: post #28

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Are you an amateur photographer? Or are you someone who posts images to a social media website for a dopamine hit? Perhaps there’s a value to gatekeeping. It can make us actually put effort and consideration into things. Modern web services like Instagram have allowed human fantasies to run wild, completely detached from reality. If you truly cared about your art and wanted it to be seen, you would devote yourself to…

>If you truly cared about your art and wanted it to be seen, you would devote yourself to that and work on getting into a gallery You've not understood what the word amateur means, at all. It's like suggesting an amateur tennis player doesn't care if he isn't trying to play Wimbledon. Or an amateur runner doesn't care if he isn't top 5% of marathon. Do you not have hobbies or something?

Indeed, I specifically avoid "professional" engagements because I have no interest in being published in a gallery, or in dealing with the art world or with clients. I've been thinking about setting up a stall at the local farmers market with some artist friends but that is about it. Sadly, parent's attitude is quite common among some.
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