I'm hoping that manufactures will start building a plausible deniability user profile you can log into while leaving your actual profile encrypted, appearing to be slack space. This kind of thuggery seems to be getting more common.
TrueCrypt had hidden volumes with plausible deniability. Aside: don't use TrueCrypt anymore for other reasons.
Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops
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Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> America is awesome, I appreciate and know how lucky we are to be here. In which regard? Compared to which place?
We lead the world in R&D, we aren't in a surveillance state like China (~1.3B people), we aren't undeveloped, we have the US dollar - the commanding world currency. We develop the best military technology, space technology, most all technology. We issue the most patents, by far. We (as people) have more rights than most all other nations and we led many other rights to attain rights for their own citizens. We protect…
Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops
#113They want entrance, just grant it to a sandboxed environment.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
As others have mentioned, lying to the agents is illegal. This isn't: The password to this freshly wiped device is "Orwell1984". Feel free to have a look, but all you'll find is an app called "Secure Erase Free Space". This SD card I'm carrying separately? No, you can't have the password to that. Yes, I know, you can hold it indefinitely.
> No, you can't have the password to that. Yes, I know, you can hold it indefinitely. I have a hard time believing that an audience that finds buying a car stressful (as is often stated in Tesla threads) is going to demonstrate assertiveness to a real authority...
Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops
#115It would be nice if phone and laptops had removable batteries, so we literally could not turn them on until we got to our destination and buy a new battery.
Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> America is awesome, I appreciate and know how lucky we are to be here. In which regard? Compared to which place?
We lead the world in R&D, we aren't in a surveillance state like China (~1.3B people), we aren't undeveloped, we have the US dollar - the commanding world currency. We develop the best military technology, space technology, most all technology. We issue the most patents, by far. We (as people) have more rights than most all other nations and we led many other rights to attain rights for their own citizens. We protect…
Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops
#117That would be a big story if that is the case.
I will offer a counter-narrative which is more in line with my own experience (from other places than the US):
The people who work at border control in particular in airports are bored.
They are also overstaffed and given extreme discretion over the people they patrol; most of whom are non-citizen and thus have basically no rights at all.
This leads to them doing work for the sake of showing they work, overreacting to the least of resistance and maybe even some games of entertainment.
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#118Quick reminder: US citizens have an absolute right to reenter the country. Customs can temporarily detain you, but they cannot refuse entry. Any threat, whether implied or stated, that they will hold you until you unlock your device is not real. They can hold your stuff indefinitely, so be prepared to lose it if you go this route, but never unlock your device based on the idea that it’s the only way to go free. Non-c…
> They can hold your stuff indefinitely, so be prepared to lose it if you go this route CBP do need reasonable suspicion to hold you belongings or do a forensic search of your computer (Cotterman 2013) - they can't just randomly take things on a whim. The longer they hold it, the higher standard required.
(In Cotterman, it sounds like the Ninth Circuit said reasonable suspicion was required, but also decided on its own - despite it not being argued by the government - that an alert from a CBP database about Cotterman's previous conviction justified a search. Which seems reasonable to me, as a layperson, I thin.)
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quick reminder: Non US citizens only go to conferences outside the US. There is no excuse we should put up with this. Canada and EU are much better locations for this reason alone.
Alternatively, prefer to avoid bringing your own devices with you when you fly. Leave your laptop and smartphone at home, and rent temporary ones after you cross.
Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops
#120It was my understanding that 5-th amendment protections against unreasonable searches are suspended at the border. That would certainly include customs at the airport. So, in a strict legal sense, demanding to unlock a device does not violate the 5th.