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A16Z is re-registering as a financial advisor, renouncing its status as a VC

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Re: A16Z is re-registering as a financial advisor, renouncing its status as a VC

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>We've seen our internet rights to speech and expression violated by companies imposing their values on their user base. >Bitcoin et al. are a very real promise that the future of banking and finance and money will be decentralized. Which as far as I'm concerned, is about freedom as much as speech is. You don't have any freedom if you have to beg VISA or PayPal for permission to spend your money. The moral high groun…

> we would see similar sized investments in open and decentralized platforms focused on free speech This is already a mostly solved problem. There are lots and lots of places on the internet, when I can engage in speech and it won't be censored. Yes, the big platforms might censor you, but there are still lots and lots of small platforms that won't or can't.

What free speech is he referring to? The only speech I know of that has been censored is terrorist groups. It makes me uncomfortable when I see people here complaining about that.

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decentralized finance has a place in the present and future of our planet There is no guarantee that decentralized anything has a place in the future. So far the trends have been depressingly centralizing, whether it's government, finance, manufacturing, or even our great hope, the Internet.

What do you think decentralized finance even is?

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The problem with decentralized money is that there is no way to manage the supply - you can only commit to a given supply curve, but you cannot adjust it according to the state of the economy. Money is a collective action problem, a public good - it requires a solution that bounds everyone - just like defence.

> you can only commit to a given supply curve, but you cannot adjust it according to the state of the economy. Why do you think this? Ethereum has changed its inflation schedule a few times recently. It seems you are basing this on the hard capped supply model of bitcoin which is not the same as every cryptocurrency.

Then it’s not decentralized?

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> We've seen our internet rights to speech and expression violated by companies imposing their values on their user base. You mean stuff like not supporting hate groups such as white supremacists, conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers or something else?

Not the OP but... yes, among countless others. 10 years ago, people who clamored about a subset of the NSA's dragnet could have been justifiably labeled "conspiracy theorists". Cultures and public opinions change over time. In America, and certainly for the most part on the internet, the ability to express opinions, including and especially controversial ones, is both a hallmark of and litmus test for freedom. Censor…

Conspiracy theorists have limitations. See Alex Jones getting sued. If you’re actively promoting something false and malicious that harms people, your speech can be restricted. That’s not new.

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Seeing how slow and expensive both BTC and ETH are, micropayments aren’t really viable, tbh. The mining and gas fees for BTC and ETH respectively are going to be higher than the cut a payment processor would take. The one advantage that you might be alluding to is that bitcoins are divisible into satoshi’s, which are much more granular than cents.

That hasn't been my experience. I pay some services with BTC via CryptoPay and is really fast. What is the alternative? Card? 2% + .3 fee. That's expensive. ACH? takes 5 days to be processed. What is the fast, cheap digital alternative?

Venmo and the like. Any ledger will work just fine if it's built for fast payments. That ledger doesn't need to be distributed and/or decentralized. Solving trust is an oversold benefit of BTC in my opinion.

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Micropayments on the web without users having to create an account. For example paying a few cents for reading a news article, without an account on the news site and without the high fees for a payment processor. (Via Lightning Network) Example news site: https://yalls.org Example browser extension for great UX: https://github.com/wbobeirne/joule-extension Or even nanopayments for single API calls, between the brows…

Seeing how slow and expensive both BTC and ETH are, micropayments aren’t really viable, tbh. The mining and gas fees for BTC and ETH respectively are going to be higher than the cut a payment processor would take. The one advantage that you might be alluding to is that bitcoins are divisible into satoshi’s, which are much more granular than cents.

With Bitcoin I recently sent a $30 transaction (non lightning) for around $0.05 in fees. That's 0.1%. It wasn't "low fee" either - it was confirmed within the next block. Bitcoin transactions are charged by the byte, so I could have sent a million dollars for $0.05 as well.

Re: A16Z is re-registering as a financial advisor, renouncing its status as a VC

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That hasn't been my experience. I pay some services with BTC via CryptoPay and is really fast. What is the alternative? Card? 2% + .3 fee. That's expensive. ACH? takes 5 days to be processed. What is the fast, cheap digital alternative?

Venmo and the like. Any ledger will work just fine if it's built for fast payments. That ledger doesn't need to be distributed and/or decentralized. Solving trust is an oversold benefit of BTC in my opinion.

>Venmo and the like.

Works great if you're settling transferring between friends doesn't work for buying/selling goods[1], otherwise you get charged the same 3%. Also, the "free" transaction aspect is most likely a loss leader.

[1] https://help.venmo.com/hc/en-us/articles/217532097-Can-I-use...

Re: A16Z is re-registering as a financial advisor, renouncing its status as a VC

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I kinda think getting rid of the VC status is better than you can encourage investment in something unethical and risky without being on the hook because "we are just the advisors, it's the person with money who takes final shot with what they wanna do with their money"

I can see why it can help if the opportunities are shrinking in the legit space.

Maybe the winter is finally coming?

Re: A16Z is re-registering as a financial advisor, renouncing its status as a VC

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post #221

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> we would see similar sized investments in open and decentralized platforms focused on free speech This is already a mostly solved problem. There are lots and lots of places on the internet, when I can engage in speech and it won't be censored. Yes, the big platforms might censor you, but there are still lots and lots of small platforms that won't or can't.

What free speech is he referring to? The only speech I know of that has been censored is terrorist groups. It makes me uncomfortable when I see people here complaining about that.

Daily stormer and Alex Jones?

...unless you think they are terrorists.

Re: A16Z is re-registering as a financial advisor, renouncing its status as a VC

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tl;dr - A16Z is reclassifying themselves as an "investment advisor", which will allow them to make riskier bets (crypto, real estate, etc). They'll still invest in startups like any other VC firm.

But imagine, if you are a VC and you invest in a Brothel then you risk your reputation etc...

But if you act like an advisor for Mr. Evil Money, then it's not you who is on the hook, right?

Basically, it means they want to do something more aggressive and risky and maybe the opportunities in VC space are disappearing.

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