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Judge orders police to stop collecting data from license plate readers

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Re: Judge orders police to stop collecting data from license plate readers

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We want to protect innocent people from snooping and harassment, but we also want law enforcement to have useful resources. These shouldn’t be mutually exclusive requirements.

It always baffles me that nobody thinks to set up a best-of-both-worlds system whereby all the data is gathered, but stored in a secure database under the control of an independent government entity, possibly the courts themselves. If you’re tracking a suspect, get a warrant and the court will supply the data.

The same should apply to all passive data gathering systems like body cams.

Re: Judge orders police to stop collecting data from license plate readers

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We want to protect innocent people from snooping and harassment, but we also want law enforcement to have useful resources. These shouldn’t be mutually exclusive requirements. It always baffles me that nobody thinks to set up a best-of-both-worlds system whereby all the data is gathered, but stored in a secure database under the control of an independent government entity, possibly the courts themselves. If you’re tr…

Don't see how that's a lot better. As long as the database exists, it has potential for abuse later. No reason to think the courts are more ethical than the police.

Re: Judge orders police to stop collecting data from license plate readers

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We want to protect innocent people from snooping and harassment, but we also want law enforcement to have useful resources. These shouldn’t be mutually exclusive requirements. It always baffles me that nobody thinks to set up a best-of-both-worlds system whereby all the data is gathered, but stored in a secure database under the control of an independent government entity, possibly the courts themselves. If you’re tr…

That sounds an awful lot like the FISA court. No way to make sure they don't just rubber stamp such warrants.

Re: Judge orders police to stop collecting data from license plate readers

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We want to protect innocent people from snooping and harassment, but we also want law enforcement to have useful resources. These shouldn’t be mutually exclusive requirements. It always baffles me that nobody thinks to set up a best-of-both-worlds system whereby all the data is gathered, but stored in a secure database under the control of an independent government entity, possibly the courts themselves. If you’re tr…

Don't see how that's a lot better. As long as the database exists, it has potential for abuse later. No reason to think the courts are more ethical than the police.

If the courts and the police are both colluding against you, then, I'm sorry to say, you don't actually have any rights. In that case, the ship has already sailed, and license plate readers should be the last of your worries.

Re: Judge orders police to stop collecting data from license plate readers

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Don't see how that's a lot better. As long as the database exists, it has potential for abuse later. No reason to think the courts are more ethical than the police.

If the courts and the police are both colluding against you, then, I'm sorry to say, you don't actually have any rights. In that case, the ship has already sailed, and license plate readers should be the last of your worries.

Welcome to the reality of being poor in America. You summed up the exasperation we feel every day quite nicely, it's like the game is already over before I even got a court date.

Re: Judge orders police to stop collecting data from license plate readers

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We want to protect innocent people from snooping and harassment, but we also want law enforcement to have useful resources. These shouldn’t be mutually exclusive requirements. It always baffles me that nobody thinks to set up a best-of-both-worlds system whereby all the data is gathered, but stored in a secure database under the control of an independent government entity, possibly the courts themselves. If you’re tr…

a secure database under the control of an independent government entity

I think that might be an implementation sticking point. You might as well ask to break the laws of physics.

Re: Judge orders police to stop collecting data from license plate readers

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We want to protect innocent people from snooping and harassment, but we also want law enforcement to have useful resources. These shouldn’t be mutually exclusive requirements. It always baffles me that nobody thinks to set up a best-of-both-worlds system whereby all the data is gathered, but stored in a secure database under the control of an independent government entity, possibly the courts themselves. If you’re tr…

I think we're not going to have easy wins here, and people will need to think about their values and make their own ethical decisions.

Prohibiting these databases will absolutely take a useful tool away from law enforcement, and it will also absolutely reduce the potential for abuse.

There might be some middle ground out there, but nonetheless at some point we, as a society, will have to decide if, when, and how we prefer liberty (and some criminal risk) to authoritarianism (less criminal risk).

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