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Re: Facebook Asking for Some New Users' Email Passwords

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Post by mcv »

Jgrubb wrote: post #243
u801e wrote: post #227

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> Rivals of Costco are angry with them for paying their employees more to get better motivated ones and less shrinkage - when if they think it is a waste of money be happy about it Do you have a citation for this claim?

I don't have a citation, but I have read repeatedly that stock analysts cite "overpaying" their workers as a place where they could cut costs and boost short term profits.

Stock analysts is not the same thing as rivals, though. If people think it's needlessly costly, competitors would cheer because their competitor is pricing themselves out of the market. As for stock analysts, if it turns out Costco gets more efficiency out of their better-paid employees because they're better, more motivated and less likely to leave, then that will eventually reflect in profits and stock price.

Re: Facebook Asking for Some New Users' Email Passwords

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Post by peteradio »

netwanderer3 wrote: post #236
kyle-rb wrote: post #67

I just don't understand how this gets implemented without someone speaking up and saying "hey, wait, isn't this an insane thing to do?". I would guess it's some combination of the complainers being ignored, and people at a higher level thinking "well we're doing this in a secure way, as long as the user trusts us, and why wouldn't they trust us, we're Facebook!".

I would love to take a peak into the meeting where they formulated this idea. With all the shit being fired at Facebook from all directions these days, I just want to see the faces and reactions of those who thought "Yep, that's a good idea!" when this concept was originally brought up. It's really stretching my curiosity and imagination to the point where I start wondering what type of people they are hiring at Face…

Perhaps they are being eaten headfirst. Each bite leaves them a little less scrupulous and a little dummerer

Re: Facebook Asking for Some New Users' Email Passwords

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Post by mcv »

pmontra wrote: post #229
ForHackernews wrote: post #158

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There's a book about the process by which this happens: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/558867.Disciplined_Minds > Many professionals set out to make a contribution to society and add meaning to their lives. Yet our system of professional education and employment abusively inculcates an acceptance of politically subordinate roles in which professionals typically do not make a significant difference.

Companies are not democracies. Is it a contradiction that we both praise democracy and spend our working time in dictatorships? Probably but we usually don't even notice it.

I think large corporations are a threat to both democracy and to capitalism. Excessive concentrations of wealth and power are dangerous. Clearly they can be leveraged for money and power, which is why they exist, but we might be better off with smaller scale enterprises and more equal co-operations.

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Post by CelestialTeapot »

bhnmmhmd wrote: post #174
sqldba wrote: post #161

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Top tech talent generally have no idea how businesses make money. So of course you’d ignore them.

This. I studied Electrical Engineering and in my experience, the only thing my classmates cared about was the technical aspects of the field, and often they couldn't see the big picture. Great talents of course, but more like robots, not even capable of understanding the humanitarian aspects of life. Such a waste. Disclaimer: It's just my experience, not necessarily true for all engineers and engineering schools.

Did they not pay any attention during the humanities portion of their education? That's part of why it's there.

Disclaimers: I'm not an engineer, but my CS degree is ABET accredited. I also took a few more Archaeology, Cog Sci, and Philosophy classes than strictly necessary.

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Post by monetus »

pmontra wrote: post #229
ForHackernews wrote: post #158

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There's a book about the process by which this happens: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/558867.Disciplined_Minds > Many professionals set out to make a contribution to society and add meaning to their lives. Yet our system of professional education and employment abusively inculcates an acceptance of politically subordinate roles in which professionals typically do not make a significant difference.

Companies are not democracies. Is it a contradiction that we both praise democracy and spend our working time in dictatorships? Probably but we usually don't even notice it.

I feel like you may share the same interest I have in this crazy giant federation of worker cooperatives (mondragon). I'm curious of many things in regards to it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

Re: Facebook Asking for Some New Users' Email Passwords

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Post by londons_explore »

hopler wrote: post #223
datenhorst wrote: post #207

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Wait, what? I use Klarna quite regularily and I assumed they were redirecting to my bank's website (in an iframe) where I would enter my credentials. I mean, the web form is even branded with my bank's logo and color scheme. If it's really the case that I was just giving my credentials to Klarna who then logged into my bank account on my behalf, I have been phished, there's no sugar coating this.

Even if it's an iframe, there's no way for a non webdev to confirm it so it's indistinguishable from phishing.

One can easily phish a webdev - seeing the difference between an and an isn't easy!

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Post by londons_explore »

manderley wrote: post #184
tapland wrote: post #65

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Swedish payment processor Klarna does something similar to this as well. If bying something through the platform by direct bank transfer you are asked to sign to your bank to accept the payment using BankID [0], which is normal. What is not normal is that they grab your personal identification number and send a login request using BankID before you open your app. When authenticating the login you authorize one of Kla…

The new EU Financial Services Directive formalizes this process and forces banks to provide an API for third-party payment providers.

The API is read-only for now. If you can't make payments using it, a lot of the benefits are gone.

Re: Facebook Asking for Some New Users' Email Passwords

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Post by maze-le »

ForHackernews wrote: post #267
w8rbt wrote: post #216

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It's not revolutionary to say that asking for user passwords is stupid and dangerous. Nothing good will come from giving your email account password to Facebook (or any company). It's also a basic human rights violation. We all have a right to our passwords. We do not have to share them with organizations seeking to exploit us and our information. It's just basic common sense, not revolutionary.

It's "revolutionary" to try and defy your bosses who tell you what code to write. Get back to your keyboard, serf.

When someone still works for such a company after an announcement this, they are part of the problem!
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