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Why Do Buses Bunch?

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Re: Why Do Buses Bunch?

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TL;DR - Teleportation will solve public transit problems.

if teleportation is impractical you could just use a faster bus, like USB 3.0 or more lanes like PCIe

everybody gets on/off at the same time instead of one by one (every seat has it's own door?)

Re: Why Do Buses Bunch?

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London subway trains teleport themselves?

No they don't. When you hear "to regulate the service" what they actually do in my experience is delay trains to try and introduce a more even service. So if you have trains that are: |--|--|--|------------|--| Then they will delay some of the trains such that it becomes: ---|--|--|--|--------|----| i.e. reduce the speed of the lead trains to try and reduce bunching. So generally if you hear "to regulate the service"…

I've often felt that maybe the front bus should skip a few stops, but unfortunately, the fuller a bus is, the bigger the chance that someone has to get out at every stop, and that means people are going to get in at every stop too.

Maybe the empty rear bus should overtake the front bus, but that's not always possible.

Teleporting to a random stop would be really annoying for people who had to get out at the next stop. That's only an acceptable solution when the bus is completely empty.

Re: Why Do Buses Bunch?

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That delays all people who are already on the delayed bus even more.

Not necessarily. If the full bus stays in front, then there will be lots of people waiting at every future stop, trying to get on the full bus, taking ages to do so. If the full bus lets the empty bus pass, then all the people waiting at the next stop can get into the empty bus. When the full bus arrives at the next stop, right behind the formerly empty bus, nobody needs to get on, only people need to get off, so the…

Or at least the bus gets a little less crowded. Being able to sit in the delayed bus is also worth something.

Re: Why Do Buses Bunch?

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Would it help to have the trailing bus pass the leading bus when they bunch up? My reasoning: (1) As the article said, full buses move slower because more passengers means more boarding/unboarding time at stops. (2) The lead bus is the fuller, slower one. Slower bus in front means buses get closer together. (3) If one bus passes the other, then you have the faster bus in front and the slower one behind. They should t…

They will sometimes do that in Vancouver (or at least they did when I lived there). The lead bus will skip stops if it's able (no one getting off) leaving the passengers for the following bus, but if it has to stop, the trailing bus will just go ahead if it has no one getting off at that stop.

EDIT: it doesn't really help with the bunching, but it does help load balance between the two buses. I've been on rides where two buses passed each other several times.

Re: Why Do Buses Bunch?

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There are several ways to avoid this.

1. The buses have predetermined stop times, signalled by a beep. You don't get on in time, you don't get on at all. Makes the delays predictable, regardless of the number of passangers.

2. Lines go from A to B and back, rather than in circles, so the delays cannot accumulate.

These are known and widely used. There is no reason why this should happen.

Re: Why Do Buses Bunch?

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if teleportation is impractical you could just use a faster bus, like USB 3.0 or more lanes like PCIe

everybody gets on/off at the same time instead of one by one (every seat has it's own door?)

On old British rail trains, commuter trains had many doors, I think on each side there was a door for each pair of row of seats?

There was also no door lock, so people could start leaving the train before it fully stopped.

The lack of a door lock is also why they're not used anymore.

Re: Why Do Buses Bunch?

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I remember a while ago reading about how bus arrival times in some South American country were studied and showed to follow psuedorandom distributions.

I don't remember the source, but the key differentiator [in that country] is that there is a person at the bus stop that tells the bus driver the time that the previous bus was there. This will cause said driver to increase/decrease speed in effect to counter bunching with the next bus.

Unfortunately, I also don't remember how rigorous the study was.

Re: Why Do Buses Bunch?

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I remember a while ago reading about how bus arrival times in some South American country were studied and showed to follow psuedorandom distributions. I don't remember the source, but the key differentiator [in that country] is that there is a person at the bus stop that tells the bus driver the time that the previous bus was there. This will cause said driver to increase/decrease speed in effect to counter bunching…

Here is a nice article about that https://www.quantamagazine.org/in-mysterious-pattern-math-an...

Re: Why Do Buses Bunch?

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Would it help to have the trailing bus pass the leading bus when they bunch up? My reasoning: (1) As the article said, full buses move slower because more passengers means more boarding/unboarding time at stops. (2) The lead bus is the fuller, slower one. Slower bus in front means buses get closer together. (3) If one bus passes the other, then you have the faster bus in front and the slower one behind. They should t…

They will sometimes do that in Vancouver (or at least they did when I lived there). The lead bus will skip stops if it's able (no one getting off) leaving the passengers for the following bus, but if it has to stop, the trailing bus will just go ahead if it has no one getting off at that stop. EDIT: it doesn't really help with the bunching, but it does help load balance between the two buses. I've been on rides where…

The bus driver of the 'skipping bus' also has to be reasonably confident that the next bus will show up shortly. Otherwise, as a passenger, it's very frustrating to see one zoom by: but if you can see another one down the road, then you won't be freak out.

Re: Why Do Buses Bunch?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they don't. When you hear "to regulate the service" what they actually do in my experience is delay trains to try and introduce a more even service. So if you have trains that are: |--|--|--|------------|--| Then they will delay some of the trains such that it becomes: ---|--|--|--|--------|----| i.e. reduce the speed of the lead trains to try and reduce bunching. So generally if you hear "to regulate the service"…

There are express services but only on the metropolitan line (which uses above ground tracks shared with non-TFL trains).

Ah, you learn something new every day!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_line#Services

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