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Re: Google+ cannot be used with customer or brand accounts anymore

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Post by est31 »

orev wrote: post #6
neic wrote: post #3

ArchiveTeam did manage to scrape ~98.6% of the user profiles before it went down. It was around 16 hours from completion when Google pulled the plug. It was done with the distributed scraper 'Warrior' using a massive amount of small cloud instances to spread the load to 1000s of IP adresses. The dataset is ~1.45 PB. http://tracker.archiveteam.org/googleplus/

I really wonder what is so valuable about saving everything on the Internet. For all of human history until now, every little human interaction was fleeting and only meant something to the people involved. Things that were significant were preserved when the people involved decided they were important. Now we are trying to keep every one of those insignificant things, for what purpose? Training an AI is all I can thi…

> Now we are trying to keep every one of those insignificant things, for what purpose?

What seems unimportant and insignificant to us now might become very interesting in the future. People in the future might consider the arrival of the internet as the beginning of a new age. Furthermore, some things may seem obvious to a person born in our times, but might not be obvious to people born in the future.

So many works, including even movies from the 20th century are lost now. E.g. the original version of Metropolis used during its premiere screening. Diogenes wasn't just a guy living in the town square, he also created some written works. They are lost now.

Re: Google+ cannot be used with customer or brand accounts anymore

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

orev wrote: post #6
neic wrote: post #3

ArchiveTeam did manage to scrape ~98.6% of the user profiles before it went down. It was around 16 hours from completion when Google pulled the plug. It was done with the distributed scraper 'Warrior' using a massive amount of small cloud instances to spread the load to 1000s of IP adresses. The dataset is ~1.45 PB. http://tracker.archiveteam.org/googleplus/

I really wonder what is so valuable about saving everything on the Internet. For all of human history until now, every little human interaction was fleeting and only meant something to the people involved. Things that were significant were preserved when the people involved decided they were important. Now we are trying to keep every one of those insignificant things, for what purpose? Training an AI is all I can thi…

Archaeologically, I think people tend to be interested in a lot of things about society that don't get well-preserved. Social media offers potentially a time capsule to the lives of ordinary citizens today in the distant future.

That being said, I intend to ask the Internet Archive to remove my personal G+ profile.

Re: Google+ cannot be used with customer or brand accounts anymore

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Post by deathhand »

orev wrote: post #6
neic wrote: post #3

ArchiveTeam did manage to scrape ~98.6% of the user profiles before it went down. It was around 16 hours from completion when Google pulled the plug. It was done with the distributed scraper 'Warrior' using a massive amount of small cloud instances to spread the load to 1000s of IP adresses. The dataset is ~1.45 PB. http://tracker.archiveteam.org/googleplus/

I really wonder what is so valuable about saving everything on the Internet. For all of human history until now, every little human interaction was fleeting and only meant something to the people involved. Things that were significant were preserved when the people involved decided they were important. Now we are trying to keep every one of those insignificant things, for what purpose? Training an AI is all I can thi…

Content that is created is valuable to someone, somewhere.

This is probably my favorite Google Plus post:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9FEWJo...

Re: Google+ cannot be used with customer or brand accounts anymore

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Post by badsectoracula »

orev wrote: post #6
neic wrote: post #3

ArchiveTeam did manage to scrape ~98.6% of the user profiles before it went down. It was around 16 hours from completion when Google pulled the plug. It was done with the distributed scraper 'Warrior' using a massive amount of small cloud instances to spread the load to 1000s of IP adresses. The dataset is ~1.45 PB. http://tracker.archiveteam.org/googleplus/

I really wonder what is so valuable about saving everything on the Internet. For all of human history until now, every little human interaction was fleeting and only meant something to the people involved. Things that were significant were preserved when the people involved decided they were important. Now we are trying to keep every one of those insignificant things, for what purpose? Training an AI is all I can thi…

More often than not, what today sounds insignificant can become significant tomorrow - if not for everyone, then at least for some.

Personally i have dug a lot on old websites stored at the web archive trying to find information and files (especially patches, older software and amateur games that few knew about) seemingly lost. For me the Archive (not just the web archive but all the archive.org projects) is as important as Wikipedia (and donate to both).

Re: Google+ cannot be used with customer or brand accounts anymore

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Post by stordoff »

dymk wrote: post #8
neic wrote: post #3

ArchiveTeam did manage to scrape ~98.6% of the user profiles before it went down. It was around 16 hours from completion when Google pulled the plug. It was done with the distributed scraper 'Warrior' using a massive amount of small cloud instances to spread the load to 1000s of IP adresses. The dataset is ~1.45 PB. http://tracker.archiveteam.org/googleplus/

Does the ArchiveTeam coordinate with services like Google+ for archival? Are the techniques used (such as spreading the load across 1000s of separate IPs) used for anything other than getting around Google's integrity services e.g. ratelimiting? I'm really curious how such a large operation is legally pulled off, especially when services like Google+ intentionally try to make scraping difficult (and presumably for la…

They use the ArchiveTeam Warrrior VM, so they have access to many public IPs: https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ArchiveTeam_Warr...

Re: Google+ cannot be used with customer or brand accounts anymore

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Post by rootsudo »

orev wrote: post #6
neic wrote: post #3

ArchiveTeam did manage to scrape ~98.6% of the user profiles before it went down. It was around 16 hours from completion when Google pulled the plug. It was done with the distributed scraper 'Warrior' using a massive amount of small cloud instances to spread the load to 1000s of IP adresses. The dataset is ~1.45 PB. http://tracker.archiveteam.org/googleplus/

I really wonder what is so valuable about saving everything on the Internet. For all of human history until now, every little human interaction was fleeting and only meant something to the people involved. Things that were significant were preserved when the people involved decided they were important. Now we are trying to keep every one of those insignificant things, for what purpose? Training an AI is all I can thi…

Also linking events and destroying plausible deniability.

Re: Google+ cannot be used with customer or brand accounts anymore

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Post by creato »

neic wrote: post #3

ArchiveTeam did manage to scrape ~98.6% of the user profiles before it went down. It was around 16 hours from completion when Google pulled the plug. It was done with the distributed scraper 'Warrior' using a massive amount of small cloud instances to spread the load to 1000s of IP adresses. The dataset is ~1.45 PB. http://tracker.archiveteam.org/googleplus/

I've been surprised that there hasn't been much pushback/questioning (from what I've seen) on this archive effort. Of course people voluntarily published the information here. But they also had at least a little control over how and what was presented to the world. Now they don't.

Is archive team going to respond if someone finds something in the archive they want to take down? Is there a listing somewhere of exactly what is archived (does it include pictures from google plus?)? I couldn't find it, and I don't want to go rooting around in the actual archive itself (if that is even possible).

Re: Google+ cannot be used with customer or brand accounts anymore

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Post by badsectoracula »

stronglikedan wrote: post #10
orev wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wonder what is so valuable about saving everything on the Internet. For all of human history until now, every little human interaction was fleeting and only meant something to the people involved. Things that were significant were preserved when the people involved decided they were important. Now we are trying to keep every one of those insignificant things, for what purpose? Training an AI is all I can thi…

I wonder too. I was berated on here for mentioning that I deleted my reddit comments when I quit reddit, as if I was somehow stealing (my own content) from the users. Just weird IMO.

Well, as a Reddit user i dislike these "delete old comments" scripts since i very often read old discussions about topics i find interesting and when i hit the occasional "deleted by script foo, do it yourself too because reddit evil" i get irritated since they make following that old discussion hard.

It is your account of course, but i still dislike the practice since it goes counter to the entire purpose of a discussion site.

Re: Google+ cannot be used with customer or brand accounts anymore

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Post by mbell »

neic wrote: post #3

ArchiveTeam did manage to scrape ~98.6% of the user profiles before it went down. It was around 16 hours from completion when Google pulled the plug. It was done with the distributed scraper 'Warrior' using a massive amount of small cloud instances to spread the load to 1000s of IP adresses. The dataset is ~1.45 PB. http://tracker.archiveteam.org/googleplus/

This is rather creepy if I'm honest - why are you scraping user's profile data? Is there a way I can request that you delete any of my data that may be in there?
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