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French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by Vinnl »

madhadron wrote: post #26
xvilka wrote: post #2

Would be interesting to measure the negative impact on a French science. Not sure how much though.

I would expect there to be basically none. Most of the journals that people are after their university still pays for access for. Failing that, they email the author and get a copy directly. And if that isn't possible, there are a few people with wider ranging interests or wider ranging technical skills who know about sci-hub and libgen, and they will pass out the new domain name as necessary. Or even convince the de…

Unpaywall is also a great method of finding alternative, freely-accessible versions of an article online: https://unpaywall.org/

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by giomasce »

collyw wrote: post #93
giomasce wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or to use Tor, or to use the Telegram bot...

There is a telegram bot for sci-hub?

https://telegram.me/scihubbot

Much more convenient than the web interface, if you ask me. And without the problem of remembering the right URL.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by adrianN »

Vinnl wrote: post #94
drewmol wrote: post #10

>The court order targets a total of 57 domain names, including various mirror sites. The academic publishers had asked the court for a more flexible blocklist, which they could update whenever new domains would become available, but this was denied. If the publishers want to expand the blocklist, they will have to go back to court. This ensures that there remains judicial oversight over local website blockades. Also,…

I wonder if they'd also block, say, Wikipedia for linking to working IP addresses, or sites like https://whereisscihub.now.sh/go that automatically redirect you to them.

In Germany, linking to illegal content is also illegal (IANAL), so they could sue Wikipedia or whereisscihub.now.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by akerro »

richjdsmith wrote: post #75
strictfp wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, everyone is so defiant that they don't realize that IP and VPN blocks are coming if we continue down this road.

The UK is already there. My VPN was blocked recently and I had to go to my network provider with my ID to prove my age(?!) so I could access my VPN again. I was not impressed.

What ISP and VPN was that?

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by collyw »

orbifold wrote: post #68
titanix2 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably some negative impact. Sci-hub is the primary and in some case only way to access paywalled papers at master and undergrad level. I’m not sure how PhD students get access to them but if it through libraries this is bad for them as the opening days and hours of such institutions is limited. Even more so which strikes which sometimes close a library for weeks.

You can typically get any paper your university library has a subscription to via the libraries online portal or if you are in the university network already at the undergraduate and masters level. If some journal is not available at the library you can request an interlibrary „loan“ which just means that someone at another library will copy the article and send it to you, typically for free.

I know a lot of researchers and they can access maybe 90% of the papers they want through subscriptions and for the rest the likely use Sci-hub.

(I have never heard anyone in research who thinks that pay walled journals is a good thing.)

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by kmlx »

atemerev wrote: post #67

Western countries are becoming increasingly like China and Russia. UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, France, Germany, New Zealand... So far, only the US still holds some resemblance to “protecting the freedom of speech” — sure, copyright violators are pursued, but at least nobody is trying to censor the Internet... yet.

the US? COPPA brought down a whole piece of the Internet. the US is no better than any other country.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by kmlx »

vkou wrote: post #53
ptaipale wrote: post #27

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I'm slightly baffled by the difference, though, as some other laws are not enforced. For instance, the case where directors of a tyre manufacturer were forcibly taken hostage and physically abused by the workers. Normally, you'd send in the police, arrest hostage-takers and give them long imprisonment.

Just like when your employer commits wage theft, you call the police, they drive over, taze your boss, put him in handcuffs, and book him? After all, that's what I would expect should happen to a regular thief. Do you also expect that industrial executives, managers, and everyone down to the line workers get booked on terrorism charges, for poisoning our water supplies, if they are caught illegally polluting?

"Do you also expect that industrial executives, managers, and everyone down to the line workers get booked on terrorism charges, for poisoning our water supplies, if they are caught illegally polluting?"

Not the original poster, but Yes, of course. Who doesn't expect that?

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by raxxorrax »

na85 wrote: post #39
bepvte wrote: post #31

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I think theyre suggesting hashing all of libgen and distributing and working backwards from that hash, as a joke

It's not totally ridiculous, just wildly impractical. There is a hash out there that if brute-forced would yield a Windows 10 version of Half-Life 3.

Chose your hash carefully or might end up with the ask toolbar for windows ME because of collisions.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by Aromasin »

setquk wrote: post #95
richjdsmith wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is already there. My VPN was blocked recently and I had to go to my network provider with my ID to prove my age(?!) so I could access my VPN again. I was not impressed.

You’re probably on a major ISP. Only the major ones in the UK are blocked and regulated. The smaller ones aren’t deemed as important.

Unfortunately the minor ISPs are almost 3-fold slower in most places, while being just as expensive. My options are between Virgin, which has speeds of up to 362mB fibre for £42/month, and the next best BT, which is 67mB for £39.99/ month. At uni, unless I wanted 30mB for a 7 person household, my only option was again Virgin.

It's difficult not to be on a major ISP when the minor ISPs can't contest on speed and value for money.

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