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French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by folbec »

giomasce wrote: post #42
drewmol wrote: post #10

>The court order targets a total of 57 domain names, including various mirror sites. The academic publishers had asked the court for a more flexible blocklist, which they could update whenever new domains would become available, but this was denied. If the publishers want to expand the blocklist, they will have to go back to court. This ensures that there remains judicial oversight over local website blockades. Also,…

Or to use Tor, or to use the Telegram bot...

I can confirm that "The Tor Browser" works perfectly for libgen.

I even get better access (but my ISP is often shitty). I woould not have tried Tor, but for this block.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by jplayer01 »

madhadron wrote: post #26
xvilka wrote: post #2

Would be interesting to measure the negative impact on a French science. Not sure how much though.

I would expect there to be basically none. Most of the journals that people are after their university still pays for access for. Failing that, they email the author and get a copy directly. And if that isn't possible, there are a few people with wider ranging interests or wider ranging technical skills who know about sci-hub and libgen, and they will pass out the new domain name as necessary. Or even convince the de…

Not true. Most people I know of or personally in academia in Germany and other countries rely on scihub. It's an incredibly valuable resource.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by ShorsHammer »

yason wrote: post #63
larkeith wrote: post #54

How difficult would it be to host one or more IPFS nodes with the files on Sci-Hub (and a directory thereof)? My understanding is that would be infeasible to block, and quite probably cheaper to host, as oft-requested papers would get mirrored.

Hard to block, yes, but the problem would be to find people who'd publicly share a copy or parts of scihub from their IP address.

I've been seeding libgen torrents for quite a while from home without problem while many I know get desist letters from their ISP for downloading a single Disney movie.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by naraic0o »

atemerev wrote: post #67

Western countries are becoming increasingly like China and Russia. UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, France, Germany, New Zealand... So far, only the US still holds some resemblance to “protecting the freedom of speech” — sure, copyright violators are pursued, but at least nobody is trying to censor the Internet... yet.

Enforcement of copyright seems more like the opposite of China, to be honest. I don’t believe the US allows freedom of intellectual property either, the US government have been shutting down torrent sites for years.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by ElBarto »

atemerev wrote: post #67

Western countries are becoming increasingly like China and Russia. UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, France, Germany, New Zealand... So far, only the US still holds some resemblance to “protecting the freedom of speech” — sure, copyright violators are pursued, but at least nobody is trying to censor the Internet... yet.

Upholding copyrights in court seems the basis of the rule of Law, and quite far from the situation in China and Russia.

Living in a 'free' country' does not mean being able to flaunt the law, especially in this case what those sites do is hardly defensible.

> the French court ruled that the two sites “clearly claim to be pirate platforms rejecting the principle of copyright and bypassing publishers’ subscription access portals.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by zapzupnz »

ShorsHammer wrote: post #80
Causality1 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

New Zealand and Australia recently went on a "do something" tear regarding the mosque shooting. Sites where the video or manifesto was posted got blocked, including 4chan. And yes, you read that right, New Zealand made it a crime to distribute a specific piece of text data.

Which if you read that "specific piece of text data" is the outcome the murderer wanted. They responded exactly how he desired.

The "this is what they wanted" argument is always something that rings alarm bells in my head; it sounds like the "it's a slippery slope" wolf in sheep's clothing.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by larkeith »

cm2187 wrote: post #64
larkeith wrote: post #54

How difficult would it be to host one or more IPFS nodes with the files on Sci-Hub (and a directory thereof)? My understanding is that would be infeasible to block, and quite probably cheaper to host, as oft-requested papers would get mirrored.

If you have access to a cloud service/servers, you don’t even need to do that. Your server is on the other side of these blocks, just rent a VM for a few minutes, RDP/VNC into it and surf the web without any ISP constraint.

Yeah, my concern is for if/when Sci-Hub's servers get taken down in their hosting country.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by Algent »

adrianN wrote: post #58
theshrike79 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good luck trying to make Cloudflare (1.1.1.1), Google (8.8.8.8) or Quad9 (9.9.9.9) to make exceptions for a single geographical area. =)

If a court orders it, what are they going to do? Do you think Google would give up the EU market over Scihub?

They would definitely obey yes, they have offices in Paris. In France they regularly have to filter some results too since companies don't hesitate to sue for libel against negative results on first page.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by collyw »

zapzupnz wrote: post #86
ShorsHammer wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which if you read that "specific piece of text data" is the outcome the murderer wanted. They responded exactly how he desired.

The "this is what they wanted" argument is always something that rings alarm bells in my head; it sounds like the "it's a slippery slope" wolf in sheep's clothing.

You hear it a lot, but in this case he pretty much outlined it in his manifesto.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by inapis »

richjdsmith wrote: post #75
strictfp wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, everyone is so defiant that they don't realize that IP and VPN blocks are coming if we continue down this road.

The UK is already there. My VPN was blocked recently and I had to go to my network provider with my ID to prove my age(?!) so I could access my VPN again. I was not impressed.

At that point it would be better to roll your own and use ports 22 or 443.
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