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Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by a_imho » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 6:08 AM UTC

theshrike79 wrote: post #44

drewmol wrote: post #10

>The court order targets a total of 57 domain names, including various mirror sites. The academic publishers had asked the court for a more flexible blocklist, which they could update whenever new domains would become available, but this was denied. If the publishers want to expand the blocklist, they will have to go back to court. This ensures that there remains judicial oversight over local website blockades. Also,…

Good luck trying to make Cloudflare (1.1.1.1), Google (8.8.8.8) or Quad9 (9.9.9.9) to make exceptions for a single geographical area. =)

I'm not sure whether you are being sarcastic. Don't you think they would cooperate just fine if it would make business sense for them?

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by Kuinox » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 6:14 AM UTC

a_imho wrote: post #51

theshrike79 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good luck trying to make Cloudflare (1.1.1.1), Google (8.8.8.8) or Quad9 (9.9.9.9) to make exceptions for a single geographical area. =)

I'm not sure whether you are being sarcastic. Don't you think they would cooperate just fine if it would make business sense for them?

They don't have to cooperate. As in the title, only the ISP DNS enforce this.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by vkou » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 6:15 AM UTC

ptaipale wrote: post #27

ams6110 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess because it's the law, and governments are supposed to enforce the law.

I'm slightly baffled by the difference, though, as some other laws are not enforced. For instance, the case where directors of a tyre manufacturer were forcibly taken hostage and physically abused by the workers. Normally, you'd send in the police, arrest hostage-takers and give them long imprisonment.

Just like when your employer commits wage theft, you call the police, they drive over, taze your boss, put him in handcuffs, and book him?

After all, that's what I would expect should happen to a regular thief.

Do you also expect that industrial executives, managers, and everyone down to the line workers get booked on terrorism charges, for poisoning our water supplies, if they are caught illegally polluting?

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by larkeith » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 6:16 AM UTC

How difficult would it be to host one or more IPFS nodes with the files on Sci-Hub (and a directory thereof)? My understanding is that would be infeasible to block, and quite probably cheaper to host, as oft-requested papers would get mirrored.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by titanix2 » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 6:17 AM UTC

xvilka wrote: post #2

Would be interesting to measure the negative impact on a French science. Not sure how much though.

Probably some negative impact. Sci-hub is the primary and in some case only way to access paywalled papers at master and undergrad level. I’m not sure how PhD students get access to them but if it through libraries this is bad for them as the opening days and hours of such institutions is limited. Even more so which strikes which sometimes close a library for weeks.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by seszett » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 6:22 AM UTC

madhadron wrote: post #26

xvilka wrote: post #2

Would be interesting to measure the negative impact on a French science. Not sure how much though.

I would expect there to be basically none. Most of the journals that people are after their university still pays for access for. Failing that, they email the author and get a copy directly. And if that isn't possible, there are a few people with wider ranging interests or wider ranging technical skills who know about sci-hub and libgen, and they will pass out the new domain name as necessary. Or even convince the de…

I think it's even simpler than that: the universities and research facilities don't use the three main commercial ISPs and won't have any kind of block.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by petre » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 6:29 AM UTC

baby wrote: post #33

cheeze wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason as Germany: a large copyright lobby.

it's really not as bad as Germany though.

In Germany they still go after you if you get caught downloading torrents. The French had a three strike rule but I think they've done away with it and went after pirated content providers instead. Which is why we probably have article 17 of the EU Copyright Directive now.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by adrianN » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 6:30 AM UTC

theshrike79 wrote: post #44

drewmol wrote: post #10

>The court order targets a total of 57 domain names, including various mirror sites. The academic publishers had asked the court for a more flexible blocklist, which they could update whenever new domains would become available, but this was denied. If the publishers want to expand the blocklist, they will have to go back to court. This ensures that there remains judicial oversight over local website blockades. Also,…

Good luck trying to make Cloudflare (1.1.1.1), Google (8.8.8.8) or Quad9 (9.9.9.9) to make exceptions for a single geographical area. =)

If a court orders it, what are they going to do? Do you think Google would give up the EU market over Scihub?

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by nraynaud » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 6:34 AM UTC

pkaye wrote: post #43

nraynaud wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a bit less than the US, because we don't have Disney or Hollywood in general, but it's still pretty high.

Wasnt the "Mickey Mouse Protection Act" which extended copyright in the US was to harmonize with the copyright extensions in the EU? And "Unlike copyright extension legislation in the European Union, the Sonny Bono Act did not revive copyrights that had already expired." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act

I know some copyright stuff in Europe has been under influence of American companies. And also when the EU tried to reclaim the name of some cheeses and wines, there was some horse trading with the movie industrie.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by jaabe » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 6:35 AM UTC

solstice wrote: post #4

Why do the French have such a hard-on for copyright enforcement? (Honest question)

Most of Western Europe does. With most of our production having moved to other countries, we rely on our ability to produce and own intellectual property.

Without strong copyrights we would have nothing to trade.