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Re: The Guardians of the French Language Are Deadlocked

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Post by ardy42 » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:15 AM UTC

bunderbunder wrote: post #186

the6threplicant wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the Dutch have it as well and no one goes on and on about it.

Many native English speakers have a certain obsession with France and the French language that doesn't happen with other counties and their languages. It's really strange. For example, in the US, speaking French is considered a particular accomplishment and a sign of good breeding, much more so than with any other second language. I'm not sure what it's about. Maybe a holdover from French being the language of the En…

> For example, in the US, speaking French is considered a particular accomplishment and a sign of good breeding, much more so than with any other second language.

As an American, my impression is that French is just considered more elegant and sophisticated than other foreign languages. I wouldn't consider it anymore difficult than another language, and quite a bit easier than some (e.g. Chinese).

...But I'm not a WASP, and if anyone has opinions similar to what you describe, my bet is they'd be WASPs.

Re: The Guardians of the French Language Are Deadlocked

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Post by JetSpiegel » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 11:09 PM UTC

bunderbunder wrote: post #186

the6threplicant wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the Dutch have it as well and no one goes on and on about it.

Many native English speakers have a certain obsession with France and the French language that doesn't happen with other counties and their languages. It's really strange. For example, in the US, speaking French is considered a particular accomplishment and a sign of good breeding, much more so than with any other second language. I'm not sure what it's about. Maybe a holdover from French being the language of the En…

I would argue it is more recent, the French really helped to free the US from British control, gave away Lousiana and gifted the Statue of Liberty.

Re: The Guardians of the French Language Are Deadlocked

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Post by richardhod » Thu, Apr 04, 2019, 12:55 PM UTC

bunderbunder wrote: post #186

the6threplicant wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the Dutch have it as well and no one goes on and on about it.

Many native English speakers have a certain obsession with France and the French language that doesn't happen with other counties and their languages. It's really strange. For example, in the US, speaking French is considered a particular accomplishment and a sign of good breeding, much more so than with any other second language. I'm not sure what it's about. Maybe a holdover from French being the language of the En…

I think there are many reasons, including yours definitely true at least in the cultural unconscious in England. Other possibly more important reasons for Americans - whose white populations come from a wider cultural European base - includes the pre-eminence of French culture in the C17-C18th and through the C19th. Furniture, arts, music, food, wines and all sorts of things were particularly refined there, from before and especially during the courts of King Louis at Versailles through tothe golden decade in the late 19th century in Paris. Everybody who had aspirations to be cultured would speak French: it was the lingua franca after all! It was the language of diplomacy. Aristocratic Russians spoke French rather than Russian. I suspect in the Germanic states that was also this looking towards a rich and prosperous France as well, to the extent of invading it once they gaind some sort of cohesion and became a Prussian / German state in the late C19th. And remember that more white Americans come from Germanic stock than English stock, which is very readily observable in surnames and physiognomy.

I am not a historian and I'm quite happy to be corrected, but I'm suggesting these as factors.