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Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by cheeze » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 3:58 AM UTC

ams6110 wrote: post #7

solstice wrote: post #4

Why do the French have such a hard-on for copyright enforcement? (Honest question)

I guess because it's the law, and governments are supposed to enforce the law.

Why doesn't France care as much about other laws?

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by cheeze » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 3:58 AM UTC

solstice wrote: post #4

Why do the French have such a hard-on for copyright enforcement? (Honest question)

Same reason as Germany: a large copyright lobby.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by nraynaud » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:01 AM UTC

solstice wrote: post #4

Why do the French have such a hard-on for copyright enforcement? (Honest question)

I think a bit less than the US, because we don't have Disney or Hollywood in general, but it's still pretty high.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by doorbellguy » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:08 AM UTC

Does this mean other countries in the EU and at international level could follow suit?

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by niyaven » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:12 AM UTC

These paywall bypassers are revealing a problem and offering a temporary solution. However this situation wherein scientists are both providers and consumers of editors, and forced to go to pirate websites in order to work is not sustainable. I feel like a permanent solution needs to be found.

I'm not a scientist myself, and would be happy to hear anyone else's opinion, but alternatives like peercommunityin.org look more promising.

All in all, this ban can be easily be circumvented (it's just a DNS block), so I'm not really sure it will help editors. It may cause an opposite effect, helping people to move to different solutions. But maybe I'm over optimistic.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by mianos » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:14 AM UTC

lskopwol wrote: post #6

Is elsevier French ?

It is Dutch.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by sroussey » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:14 AM UTC

More of a push to open access like this:

https://gatesopenresearch.org/

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by emptybits » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:15 AM UTC

And with this news, millions of French now become aware of these tempting sites they wouldn't otherwise even know about. (And Google methods of alternative access.) #streisandeffect

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:16 AM UTC

niyaven wrote: post #15

These paywall bypassers are revealing a problem and offering a temporary solution. However this situation wherein scientists are both providers and consumers of editors, and forced to go to pirate websites in order to work is not sustainable. I feel like a permanent solution needs to be found. I'm not a scientist myself, and would be happy to hear anyone else's opinion, but alternatives like peercommunityin.org look…

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Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by Someone1234 » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:19 AM UTC

solstice wrote: post #4

Why do the French have such a hard-on for copyright enforcement? (Honest question)

The French really love their language, traditional publishers continue to publish in French whereas new-tech is more often in English or other languages.

So I'd argue that the French have a love-affair with traditional publishing, and traditional publishing loves draconian copyright rules.

The whole thing is almost a culture war for the French people's soul by-proxy.