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Trains are more efficient and less polluting than other transportation modes

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Re: Trains are more efficient and less polluting than other transportation modes

#11
No mention of China. They built 16,000 miles of high-speed rail in 15 years. They’ll be at 24,000 miles by 2025.

The low/medium speed maglevs also seem interesting:

https://gbtimes.com/china-tests-new-generation-of-maglev-tra...

A 70-100 mph maglev would be useful in a few large cities.

Re: Trains are more efficient and less polluting than other transportation modes

#12

This is rather obvious and has always been a major advantage of rail. The problem is the capital costs and real estate requirements of building the rail lines, especially when locations are far apart and there's already existing infrastructure that needs attention.

When you think of an American state with a growing population you can take the existing infrastructure as a given and plan for rail for your new capacity. Unless you are willing to say we're just not going to add transportation capacity for our new citizens, you face a choice of road, rail, or air. Rail is often a good choice.

As for "far apart" this seems irrelevant. Ohio has a greater population density than does Spain, but Columbus, Ohio's principal city, hasn't had a passenger train in 42 years while Cordoba, with half the population, enjoys ten trains per hour service including a high-speed train to Sevilla, Madrid, and Malaga. Anybody could build a Columbus-Dayton-Indianapolis high-speed rail line but we lack the will to do it.

Re: Trains are more efficient and less polluting than other transportation modes

#13
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is "discovering" this. The US has prioritized other modes of transport because the US had priorities beyond "how clean it is".

Such as?

How much coal it rolls, how much it ownz the libz, etc.

Re: Trains are more efficient and less polluting than other transportation modes

#14
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is "discovering" this. The US has prioritized other modes of transport because the US had priorities beyond "how clean it is".

Such as?

Individual independence and convenience were a goal in American culture the middle of the 20th century, until the externalities of that were understand.

There's some famous interview - can't remember with who - about how at the time getting a car gave incredible freedom nobody had experienced before. It was a big part of how people saw the American dream in the last century, before the impact was understood.

Re: Trains are more efficient and less polluting than other transportation modes

#15
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is "discovering" this. The US has prioritized other modes of transport because the US had priorities beyond "how clean it is".

Such as?

Privatizing the economy to ensure that nothing happens that doesn't make a profit for somebody.

Because if a product doesn't make boatloads of money for an oligarch in a big city somewhere, that product doesn't deserve to exist.

Re: Trains are more efficient and less polluting than other transportation modes

#16
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is "discovering" this. The US has prioritized other modes of transport because the US had priorities beyond "how clean it is".

Such as?

How fast is it? Prior to the first Gulf War, airport security didn’t impose long waits and significantly tilting the balance away from trains. On the freight side, companies have to keep product on the books if it’s on some rail car vs. having been delivered by truck the day before.

Re: Trains are more efficient and less polluting than other transportation modes

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as?

Individual independence and convenience were a goal in American culture the middle of the 20th century, until the externalities of that were understand. There's some famous interview - can't remember with who - about how at the time getting a car gave incredible freedom nobody had experienced before. It was a big part of how people saw the American dream in the last century, before the impact was understood.

And now, having a car is seen as impending your freedom, funnily enough.

Re: Trains are more efficient and less polluting than other transportation modes

#19
Roads are obviously worse but I’m not sure about airplanes.

They’re measuring energy per passenger/km but I think ignoring the cost of building the infrastructure (the “get data” link is down). For roads and railways infrastructure investments are huge, both initial construction and then maintenance. Not only in dollars, in CO2 as well.

Re: Trains are more efficient and less polluting than other transportation modes

#20
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is "discovering" this. The US has prioritized other modes of transport because the US had priorities beyond "how clean it is".

Such as?

The US has the best rail system in the world...and uses it to transport cargo. The US also has the biggest single-country economy in the world.
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