San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance
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San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance
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#2How does anyone who lives in San Diego get to see the live camera and data feeds? Surely a city in the US didn't create a public surveillance network that takes the information and makes it private.
Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance
#3How does anyone who lives in San Diego get to see the live camera and data feeds? Surely a city in the US didn't create a public surveillance network that takes the information and makes it private.
It depends on the state. In some states many government video feeds are considered public documents. The problem is that you're usually not allowed to tap in live, you have to file a paper request and then pay for duplication of the video.
In Houston, when Transtar (the local transportation management agency) first put up its network of traffic cameras it worked out a deal with one of the local TV stations (KPRC, I think) to provide it with exclusive access to the video.
The other stations pointed out that in Texas, Transtar video was considered public records, and so Transtar had to allow every TV station use them, as long as they ran fiber to the agency's headquarters to pick up the feeds. So KPRC's "exclusive" advantage evaporated within a month or two.
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#4"I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here."
When this system was announced these were exactly the concerns that were voiced and they were dismissed with "nuh, uh, we're enlightened, that stuff doesn't happen here." Even many here dismissed those concerns with similar logic. The idea of being able to make minor improvements by mining city data was too good to pass up. Yet here we are. The data has not been used to improve the city but it has been used to empower the police state. This is exactly what the naysayers said would happen.
Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance
#5Did the citizens request it?
Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance
#6"I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here." When this system was announced these were exactly the concerns that were voiced and they were dismissed with "nuh, uh, we're enlightened, that stuff doesn't happen here." Even many here dismissed those concerns with similar logic. The idea of being able to make minor improvements by mining city data was too good to pass up. Yet here we are. The data h…
This article is about San Diego, not San Francisco.
Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance
#7Did the citizens request it?
Request what? The surveillance system? No. That said many on HN where strong proponents of it when it was announced because it was marketed as providing data the city government could use to make improvements.
Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance
#8"I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here." When this system was announced these were exactly the concerns that were voiced and they were dismissed with "nuh, uh, we're enlightened, that stuff doesn't happen here." Even many here dismissed those concerns with similar logic. The idea of being able to make minor improvements by mining city data was too good to pass up. Yet here we are. The data h…
This article is about San Diego, not San Francisco.
Did SF not roll out a similiar system? I recall lots of discussion on the topic of all the improvements to public services (ha) that the data from these lights would enable.
Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance
#9"I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here." When this system was announced these were exactly the concerns that were voiced and they were dismissed with "nuh, uh, we're enlightened, that stuff doesn't happen here." Even many here dismissed those concerns with similar logic. The idea of being able to make minor improvements by mining city data was too good to pass up. Yet here we are. The data h…
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Did you realize that the city in question is San DIEGO?
(Because your post seems to be about San FRANCISCO.)
Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance
#10Since the introduction of cameras used at intersections to penalize stop light violators (made famous by a former mayor who ran a red light while getting a blow job from his mistress), San Diego has always been experimenting with surveillance technology especially thereafter. Those intersection cameras have been minimized from county wide implementation at its height.
Being a border city and a major military hub for the Navy and Marines, surveillance technology being developed by businesses here have been a response to these types of organizations' needs and challenges.
I could see backlash as this surveillance tech permeates the county and extreme edge cases are brought to the surface to be used as weapons for curbing implementation.