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Ecuador offers WikiLeak's founder Assange residency, no questions asked

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Re: Ecuador offers WikiLeak's founder Assange residency, no questions asked

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>I understand most of the northern Latin America may harbor strong negative feelings towards the US That is what Chavez wants you to think. I agree there is some part of the population in Venezuela that does not like the US but I think is mainly because they are being told not to like them. I believe that most of Venezuelans have always looked up to the US and are pro-yankee. Given the choice (specially Chavez suppor…

How about we ask the audience? There must be at least one South American on HN willing to comment.

I can only speak from my experience as an American living in Argentina for a little under 10 years, who was a Spanish major in college, and has travelled a fair bit around the continent.

The idea that people in South America "hate the US" has never been my experience. People in the USA on both the right and the left seem to have a paranoid fantasy that everybody everywhere hates Americans. Right wingers think people are jealous of us, while left wingers think we have pissed people off too much because of our abuses of power. I think both of them suffer from the same root problem: the delusion that people everywhere are obsessed with the USA and Americans.

In my travels, people I meet usually see the USA as just another country like any other - they may have a more or less favorable opinion, but Americans are lumped in the same category with Bulgarians and Poles as "foreigners." I've also observed that people are usually smart enough to separate the USA's government from its people. When Bush was in power, people used to sometimes ask me about him, usually in the context of "wow, I really feel sorry for you having a guy like that as your leader." Keep in mind that Bush was extremely unpopular here in Argentina.

I know this may be hard for some Americans to come to terms with, but while there are things that make us a wonderful country, and also some terrible aspects of our past... we are really just like everybody else, and at least in my experience that's just how people here have treated me.

Your milage may vary. :)

Re: Ecuador offers WikiLeak's founder Assange residency, no questions asked

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post #15

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>I understand most of the northern Latin America may harbor strong negative feelings towards the US That is what Chavez wants you to think. I agree there is some part of the population in Venezuela that does not like the US but I think is mainly because they are being told not to like them. I believe that most of Venezuelans have always looked up to the US and are pro-yankee. Given the choice (specially Chavez suppor…

How about we ask the audience? There must be at least one South American on HN willing to comment.

I'm South American (from Uruguay) and there are many more here on HN :)

I'm not representative of my country, and my country is atypical by Latin American standards, but that said, there is quite a bit of animosity against the US, particularly by the old-school leftists (those that were adults during the US-sponsored military dictatorships in the 70s).

The newer generations and the old-school right-wing people bear no such animosity here.

I haven't seen much hatred against the US in Argentina or Brazil either (in Brazil they actually want to measure against and compete against the US in the global stage, not hate them), and there's quite a bit of envy involved.

All Latin American countries consume a lot of US entertainment and media and culture, too.

Re: Ecuador offers WikiLeak's founder Assange residency, no questions asked

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On a related note, a big online library of Russian books is managed from Ecuador (used to be hosted there as well).

They used to openly call themselves pirates, but Russian publishers couldn't do much to the site legally due to Ecuador copyright laws. Publishers then tried to bring the site down by DOS attacks, but didn't quite succeed.

Re: Ecuador offers WikiLeak's founder Assange residency, no questions asked

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Sorry, you're correct. I was inaccurate with my claim. The antipathy towards the US is much stronger in Central America and the Andean regions (Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, etc) As for being childish, the US has done a whole lot to earn that enmity. I'd recommend reading Open veins of Latin America , by Eduardo Galeano. It's a difficult read, due in no small part to the author's support of the Cuban Revolution and Castro'…

> As for being childish, the US has done a whole lot to earn that enmity. That's quite an understatement.

Some people have done a lot, sometimes with government support, but those are a tiny minority when compared to the people they represented.

You shouldn't judge a people by the actions of their leaders.

Re: Ecuador offers WikiLeak's founder Assange residency, no questions asked

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How about we ask the audience? There must be at least one South American on HN willing to comment.

I can only speak from my experience as an American living in Argentina for a little under 10 years, who was a Spanish major in college, and has travelled a fair bit around the continent. The idea that people in South America "hate the US" has never been my experience. People in the USA on both the right and the left seem to have a paranoid fantasy that everybody everywhere hates Americans. Right wingers think people…

> I think both of them suffer from the same root problem: the delusion that people everywhere are obsessed with the USA and Americans.

I wouldn't be able to say it any better.

> Bush was extremely unpopular here in Argentina.

I really can't imagine a place where he was popular... Poland, I was told, but a statement so unbelievable required more proof than I had at the time.

Re: Ecuador offers WikiLeak's founder Assange residency, no questions asked

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post #21

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I can only speak from my experience as an American living in Argentina for a little under 10 years, who was a Spanish major in college, and has travelled a fair bit around the continent. The idea that people in South America "hate the US" has never been my experience. People in the USA on both the right and the left seem to have a paranoid fantasy that everybody everywhere hates Americans. Right wingers think people…

> I think both of them suffer from the same root problem: the delusion that people everywhere are obsessed with the USA and Americans. I wouldn't be able to say it any better. > Bush was extremely unpopular here in Argentina. I really can't imagine a place where he was popular... Poland, I was told, but a statement so unbelievable required more proof than I had at the time.

Considering the downvotes, Poland and HN...

Re: Ecuador offers WikiLeak's founder Assange residency, no questions asked

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Hah, I doubt he'll go, I think he'd rather stay in Switzerland or some other 1st world country, than going to Ecuador where he's at mercy of US' interests.

Most developed nations have extradition treaties with the US - and Assange has a good chance of independently pissing them off in the future if he leaks info on them.

Wikileaks has already leaked private bank memos, which the Swiss in particular don't take kindly to.

Ecuador is no fan of the US, and it tends not to be a very interesting nation from a leaking perspective. It'd be a better choice than most developed nations.

Re: Ecuador offers WikiLeak's founder Assange residency, no questions asked

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> As for being childish, the US has done a whole lot to earn that enmity. That's quite an understatement.

Some people have done a lot, sometimes with government support, but those are a tiny minority when compared to the people they represented. You shouldn't judge a people by the actions of their leaders.

> You shouldn't judge a people by the actions of their leaders.

That becomes a difficult argument beyond a certain point. Especially if the leaders are (in theory, at least) representing the people.

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