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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by sascha_sl » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:33 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #47

hsivonen wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can the service be used with another Wireguard client (hopefully bundled into Linux distros in the future) without installing Cloudflare’s client software?

We do not currently plan to allow third-party WireGuard clients to connect to the service.

It it just me or does it sound wrong to call wireguard, the kernel module, third party software in this context? That's literally the reference implementation.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by newscracker » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #47

hsivonen wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can the service be used with another Wireguard client (hopefully bundled into Linux distros in the future) without installing Cloudflare’s client software?

We do not currently plan to allow third-party WireGuard clients to connect to the service.

Could you elaborate why? Is it because you may not be able to field support requests and complaints from users who may have clients with issues or may have misconfigured it? Or are there other reasons too?

Would you ever make the code of the 1.1.1.1 app with Warp open source?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by fancy44 » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:35 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #37

fancy44 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm trying to join the wait list but it just kicks me back to the join wait list button page after a quick second of spinning wheel. Just does it over and over.

We are working to fix that. Sorry you are having trouble.

It worked now. Thanks!!

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by tomschlick » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:35 PM UTC

zackbloom wrote: post #38

tomschlick wrote: post #36

Anyone else get a spinner when clicking "Join the waitlist" and the button to join just reappears again? (iPhone XS, running latest update)

Sorry about that, there's an issue we're currently dealing with which hits people who had a specific version of the old 1.1.1.1 app and just updated. It should be fixed shortly.

Thanks. Just tried again and got on the list!

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by ikeboy » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:36 PM UTC

There's a lot of dissing of competition (they drain your battery, "all suck", slow down your internet) without a single datapoint.

Personally I find the performance of PIA fine. I just ran a test through fast.com and got 42 mbps on 4g through PIA mobile VPN in NYC. (Weirdly, when I turn off the VPN and test I'm only getting around 2 Mbps.) Latency is a bit higher than direct, but not enough for me to agree with their blanket statement that all VPNs suck.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by jgrahamc » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:39 PM UTC

newscracker wrote: post #52

jgrahamc wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do not currently plan to allow third-party WireGuard clients to connect to the service.

Could you elaborate why? Is it because you may not be able to field support requests and complaints from users who may have clients with issues or may have misconfigured it? Or are there other reasons too? Would you ever make the code of the 1.1.1.1 app with Warp open source?

Exactly that: there would be a large support cost to making it work and so we'd need to think carefully about it. It's not a technical issue at all.

On the open source thing: maybe? It's hard to say. In general, we like to open source libraries and stand alone applications. And we think pretty carefully about the cost of supporting an open source community as well. Which is, I think, a thing people overlook.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by skybrian » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:39 PM UTC

I wonder what happens if you're already using Android or Chrome Data Saver? Should you turn them off?

Interesting to see competition heat up at the VPN level.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by bvda » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:40 PM UTC

fooqux wrote: post #49

> 1. We don't write user-identifiable log data to disk; That's great... but you do log user-identifiable info? How I read that is "we log things that can identify you but just keep it in memory for X amount of time". Myself and other privacy-minded folks would like to know more details there, especially as this is a freemium service.

>A VPN for People Who Don’t Know What V.P.N. Stands For

I don't think their target audience includes those people (privacy minded folks.)

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by gpm » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:40 PM UTC

netsharc wrote: post #34

kennyadam wrote: post #30

So, I'm apparently #161486 on the wait list. Not holding my breath... Sounds interesting though!

It's not like it's a line at the DMV... I'd imagine they'd test the performance with say 100 users, then another 900 to make it a round 1000, then if they see the 1000 users only use 1% CPU, they could just go up to 10000 to see if it uses 10% CPU or just 5%... And after they figure out how many servers/how much bandwidth they need, they could just bring in e.g. 100K users online at once.

They also probably want to roll out in batches to reduce the impact of bugs, not just to measure resource usage. But absolutely agree that once they get comfortable bringing in 100k at once is perfectly possible.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by zamadatix » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:42 PM UTC

ikeboy wrote: post #55

There's a lot of dissing of competition (they drain your battery, "all suck", slow down your internet) without a single datapoint. Personally I find the performance of PIA fine. I just ran a test through fast.com and got 42 mbps on 4g through PIA mobile VPN in NYC. (Weirdly, when I turn off the VPN and test I'm only getting around 2 Mbps.) Latency is a bit higher than direct, but not enough for me to agree with their…

Anything that uses the Android built in IPsec VPN is going to be fine unless the app really goes out of it's way to be crappy. This uses Wireguard in userspace so is likely actually a battery drain. Less than OpenVPN at least.