Warp – Mobile VPN • Hacker News Board

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by tyingq » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 1:54 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #9

tyingq wrote: post #7

Is there any notable potential for people to use this for abuse? You guys tend to put up captchas for inbound Tor traffic, I assume for similar reasons.

Tor is different. We don't put up CAPTCHAs by default for Tor. We totally changed how we handle Tor years ago. But, because Tor provides anonymity, there is _a lot_ of abuse through it. A lot.

I read the privacy sections in your blog post, and it feels like WARP offers anonymity, maybe not from CF, but perhaps from everyone else.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by ChrisSD » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 1:54 PM UTC

Last time I used 1.1.1.1 DNS I sometimes had problems when visiting bbc.co.uk. It seemed to be trying to look up the domain on cloudflare's service for some reason. Was I the only one to have this problem? Would it be fixed now?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by seanwilson » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 1:54 PM UTC

Is there a better summary of what's being offered here?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by zackbloom » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 1:55 PM UTC

acdha wrote: post #8

zackbloom wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's WireGuard [1] coupled with tech from our Mobile SDK [2] and (in the case of Warp+) Argo [3] 1- https://github.com/cloudflare/boringtun 2- https://blog.cloudflare.com/mobile-sdk-acceleration/ 3- https://www.cloudflare.com/products/argo-smart-routing/

Are you also bosdev? I noticed an identical comment posted under that account before this one.

I was, at one point in my life, a Boston Developer ;). Sadly at least one of those things is no longer accurate.

Switched the account so it wouldn't be confusing who was commenting.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by vbezhenar » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 1:56 PM UTC

zackbloom wrote: post #5

ilarum wrote: post #2

It would be really interesting to learn more about the technical details of the "UDP-based protocol" Warp uses

It's WireGuard [1] coupled with tech from our Mobile SDK [2] and (in the case of Warp+) Argo [3] 1- https://github.com/cloudflare/boringtun 2- https://blog.cloudflare.com/mobile-sdk-acceleration/ 3- https://www.cloudflare.com/products/argo-smart-routing/

Is there significant differences from stock wireguard? Can I benefit from your work on my own server?

Also I wonder how do you work with censors? For example Russia censors internet and requires that all VPN services cooperate and censor internet for Russian customers as well (probably they will ban services that won't comply). Will you cooperate or will you accept that Russian users won't be able to reach your service? I guess, that some other countries use or will use similar techniques. For example I'm from Kazakhstan, there are many banned websites and they seem to ban popular VPN and proxy services as well (I'm using my own server with OpenVPN, but obviously I'm just a small fish to bother).

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by zackbloom » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

seanwilson wrote: post #13

Is there a better summary of what's being offered here?

You could try looking at https://1.1.1.1, it is more brief and to the point, but you might be looking for something more technical and direct?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by ilarum » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

seanwilson wrote: post #13

Is there a better summary of what's being offered here?

Cloudflare already has an app on mobile devices - but so far it only served your DNS queries. Now the app behaves as a VPN for all your mobile traffic - all data is routed within Cloudflare's network from the moment it leaves your device, which is faster than going through the public internet.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by larrysalibra » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

Warp+ with Argo sounds like it has the potential to really improve the internet experience on ISPs that have poor routes.

Will warp be available on desktop machines at some point?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by aroch » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

ChrisSD wrote: post #12

Last time I used 1.1.1.1 DNS I sometimes had problems when visiting bbc.co.uk. It seemed to be trying to look up the domain on cloudflare's service for some reason. Was I the only one to have this problem? Would it be fixed now?

1.1.1.1 doesn't use eDNS and likely never will: https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/nitty-gritty-detai...

So geo-specific things will break... BBC.com should load though since its for out-of-UK people

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by sudhirj » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 2:02 PM UTC

larrysalibra wrote: post #18

Warp+ with Argo sounds like it has the potential to really improve the internet experience on ISPs that have poor routes. Will warp be available on desktop machines at some point?

Yes, the article mentions that desktop apps are coming soon.