Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps

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Post by garbowza » Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 2:19 PM UTC

Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps
cakeplate.posterous.com

Re: Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps

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Post by ConceptDog » Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 2:48 PM UTC

'fast' and 'CakePHP' shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Cake is great for RAD (Rapid Application Development) but the framework itself is massively bloated to almost the same level as a full CMS.

You'll get to market faster, but you'll also be planning a rewrite or migration sooner should you enjoy some degree of success.

Re: Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps

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Post by garbowza » Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 2:55 PM UTC

ConceptDog wrote: post #2

'fast' and 'CakePHP' shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Cake is great for RAD (Rapid Application Development) but the framework itself is massively bloated to almost the same level as a full CMS. You'll get to market faster, but you'll also be planning a rewrite or migration sooner should you enjoy some degree of success.

Could you expand on what you see as the bloat? I find the base distribution of CakePHP to be very lean, and using it on half dozen production projects, I have found no issues with speed, especially with proper use of memcached and media compression.

Re: Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps

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Post by noodle » Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 2:57 PM UTC

ConceptDog wrote: post #2

'fast' and 'CakePHP' shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Cake is great for RAD (Rapid Application Development) but the framework itself is massively bloated to almost the same level as a full CMS. You'll get to market faster, but you'll also be planning a rewrite or migration sooner should you enjoy some degree of success.

agreed. i like codeigniter, which is an order of magnitude or two faster than cake.

Re: Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps

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Post by noodle » Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 2:57 PM UTC

garbowza wrote: post #3

ConceptDog wrote: post #2

'fast' and 'CakePHP' shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Cake is great for RAD (Rapid Application Development) but the framework itself is massively bloated to almost the same level as a full CMS. You'll get to market faster, but you'll also be planning a rewrite or migration sooner should you enjoy some degree of success.

Could you expand on what you see as the bloat? I find the base distribution of CakePHP to be very lean, and using it on half dozen production projects, I have found no issues with speed, especially with proper use of memcached and media compression.

http://avnetlabs.com/php/php-framework-comparison-benchmarks

Re: Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps

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Post by mattcurry » Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 3:18 PM UTC

noodle wrote: post #5

garbowza wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you expand on what you see as the bloat? I find the base distribution of CakePHP to be very lean, and using it on half dozen production projects, I have found no issues with speed, especially with proper use of memcached and media compression.

http://avnetlabs.com/php/php-framework-comparison-benchmarks

These benchmarks are from two years ago. The version of Cake used isn't even a stable release (1.2 RC1). Either way 1.3 has replaced 1.2 and is plenty fast for 99.99999% of sites.

Re: Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps

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Post by noodle » Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 3:30 PM UTC

mattcurry wrote: post #6

noodle wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://avnetlabs.com/php/php-framework-comparison-benchmarks

These benchmarks are from two years ago. The version of Cake used isn't even a stable release (1.2 RC1). Either way 1.3 has replaced 1.2 and is plenty fast for 99.99999% of sites.

fair enough, it was the newest one i could find.

this and similar reports from others are the reason i don't use cake, though, and it seems like it would be in their best interest to get some newer information out there. (i made my choices years ago though)

Re: Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps

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Post by Griever » Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 3:32 PM UTC

This is excellent. I've been wanting a similar PHP version of the Html5Boilerplate for some time now. If this saves me as much time as the Html5 version, I'd hop on this in a heartbeat. Seeing more PHP frameworks take this approach would be a great thing, I believe.

The RoR commmunity has had this opportunity for quite some time now with Thoughtbots' Suspenders (https://github.com/thoughtbot/suspenders) template.

Re: Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps

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Post by mgkimsal » Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 3:33 PM UTC

Why not some form of user self-registration and admin management tool as well? I see a facebook connect in there, which helps, but a pure cake-based user reg/management system would go a long way towards a faster 'out of the box' experience.

Re: Launching CakePlate, a boilerplate CakePHP distribution for fast web apps

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Post by karanbhangui » Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 3:34 PM UTC

mattcurry wrote: post #6

noodle wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://avnetlabs.com/php/php-framework-comparison-benchmarks

These benchmarks are from two years ago. The version of Cake used isn't even a stable release (1.2 RC1). Either way 1.3 has replaced 1.2 and is plenty fast for 99.99999% of sites.

Here's a more recent benchmark: http://symfony-reloaded.org/fast