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Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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Re: Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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Anyone else gets display issues with 令? It shows up incorrectly in certain android locations (keyboard, hangouts) but looks fine in firefox. The stroke order illustration on jisho also has the last stroke wrong [1] [1] https://jisho.org/search/%E4%BB%A4%20%23kanji

Jisho does not have the last stroke wrong, that is how you write the kanji. The way it is represented in computer fonts is different than how it is hand written. The jisho instructions show how to hand write it.

Re: Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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The new name just uses standard characters, but what you're probably referring to is the fact that Unicode 12.1 will have a character for the two of them compressed into one glyph. Details: http://blog.unicode.org/2018/09/new-japanese-era.html Compressed glyphs like that are sometimes used on paperwork and whatnot, but everyday usage just uses the standard characters.

What are the benefits of this approach compared to a ligature at the font-level?

I'm not competent to answer that, but the "merged glyph" versions of the other four modern era names date from older encodings like EUC and shift-JIS, and are presumably in unicode for compatibility. So the rationale for adding a new one may just be extending that set.

Re: Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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Heisei 31 is this year. Heisei 32 and above are the ones that don't exist.

Isn’t Reiwa 1 also this year?

It's both - dates through April 30 are Heisei 31, and dates from May 1 are Reiwa 1, is the official take.

Re: Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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Heisei 31 is this year. Heisei 32 and above are the ones that don't exist.

Isn’t Reiwa 1 also this year?

From May 1st onwards, yes.

Heisei 31 April 29, Heisei 31 April 30, Reiwa 1 May 1, Reiwa 1 May 2, etc.

Re: Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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Anyone else gets display issues with 令? It shows up incorrectly in certain android locations (keyboard, hangouts) but looks fine in firefox. The stroke order illustration on jisho also has the last stroke wrong [1] [1] https://jisho.org/search/%E4%BB%A4%20%23kanji

This might be a problem arising because of Han unification. In Japanese, the character is commonly written with a vertical final stroke (at least in print), whereas in Chinese it's a diagonally down and to the right. However, they are encoded as the same in Unicode. What gets displayed depends on the font choice, possibly aided by somewhat hacky language hints. This particular character is the second example in the l…

FWIW, the version where the lower part is like マ is also used in Japanese. Different calligraphic styles can have big visual differences.

Re: Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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It's a combination of two existing characters, the rei as in meirei/命令 (order, command) and wa as in heiwa/平和 (peace, harmony). No new characters need to be reserved.

Rei, 令, in this case means 'good, fortunate', not command.

Huh, according to Jim Breen's dictionary (http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic) 'good, fortunate' is '礼' (rei). '令' (rei) is listed as 'command, decree'. The official character that is being used is '令'.

Is there some rule or convention that explains why 令 means 'good, fortunate' here? Is it due to the usage in the 7th century poetry that is referenced in the article?

Re: Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new name just uses standard characters, but what you're probably referring to is the fact that Unicode 12.1 will have a character for the two of them compressed into one glyph. Details: http://blog.unicode.org/2018/09/new-japanese-era.html Compressed glyphs like that are sometimes used on paperwork and whatnot, but everyday usage just uses the standard characters.

What are the benefits of this approach compared to a ligature at the font-level?

The square / single-glyph version is only used in some / limited contexts, in most contexts (including the emperor's eventual posthumous name) heisei would be written and displayed "normally".

Re: Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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This is stupid. Make no mistake: this is not the Japanese "culture". Most private organizations in Japan have already switched to the Western calendar, and its only user is the Japanese government (although it's one of the biggest ones, sadly). They should stop wasting their time and energy for this farce. And yes, one could argue that this will create extra IT jobs that would be unnecessary if they abandoned the sys…

This is a cultural heritage of East Asia countries.

Re: Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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Rei, 令, in this case means 'good, fortunate', not command.

Huh, according to Jim Breen's dictionary ( http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic ) 'good, fortunate' is '礼' (rei). '令' (rei) is listed as 'command, decree'. The official character that is being used is '令'. Is there some rule or convention that explains why 令 means 'good, fortunate' here? Is it due to the usage in the 7th century poetry that is referenced in the article?

In this particular case, '令月' means[1], a good month.

https://kotobank.jp/word/%E4%BB%A4%E6%9C%88-660939

If we have to trace back even further, it can date back to the ancient Chinese classic, the Classic of Poetry, where it is being used as good/respectful:

https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E4%BB%A4%E9%97%BB%E4%BB%A4%E6%...

Re: Abe explains choice of Reiwa for next era name

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This is stupid. Make no mistake: this is not the Japanese "culture". Most private organizations in Japan have already switched to the Western calendar, and its only user is the Japanese government (although it's one of the biggest ones, sadly). They should stop wasting their time and energy for this farce. And yes, one could argue that this will create extra IT jobs that would be unnecessary if they abandoned the sys…

Is it really such a big deal? It's not like they're _introducing_ regnal eras, it's just a new era name for the system they were already using. BTW, both this comment and the article hint at a connection with right-wing nationalism. I won't claim to understand Japanese politics, but AFAIK Abe's government is increasing immigration to Japan to far higher levels than ever before. Surely that's going to have a far bigge…

The article refers to Abe's government as "ultra-conservative", not as "right-wing nationalist". I would not say that Abe is nationalist in the normal definition of the word. Japanese politics tends towards right wing, though it tends to be more of an old school conservatism: old money, but with a sense of responsibility towards the people. So, for example, there aren't a lot of services performed by the government and it is expected that businesses somehow voluntarily pay to have these things done. In my rural town the government does not mow the sides road, or trim branches on trees, or maintain the parks. That's pretty much all done on a volunteer basis by local businesses, or residents. There is a big rota and you have to go out once a month and do some work.

Financially, things are conservative as well. Abenomics is literally Reganomics with "Regan" replaced by "Abe" -- trickle down theory and all. And it works just as well as Reganomics didn't too ;-) Abe has also been quite busy trying to rewrite the constitution so that Japan can get into international conflicts where their allies are involved. Previously Japan was only allowed to get into conflicts where Japan itself was under threat. There is some speculation that the emperor only abdicated in order to force the government to do a bunch of constitutional work and delay the constitutional work that Abe had ordered. Abe managed to survive a general election, so if that was the goal it ended up being fruitless.

In terms of nationalism, I don't think that Japan (or its government) fits the definition. There are protectionist attitudes towards food trade, but that is understandable given that more than 1 million people starved after WWII due to the fact that Japan had imported most of its staple foods at the time and got blockaded. There are actual laws that date from the end of WWII that enforce this protectionism, so it's hard to blame the current government :-)

There are, of course, nationalist people in Japan (and even nationalist political parties), but they do not represent Japanese mainstream thinking in any way shape or form. It is very much the loony fringe.

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