I wonder why developers think they need special protections that other workers do not have. It is not uncommon for waiters to work 12 hour days, with 1 day off for wages far lower.
I wish I could work 12 hour days. :P
996.icu, Chinese programmers against working overtime gathering on GitHub
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#12I wonder why developers think they need special protections that other workers do not have. It is not uncommon for waiters to work 12 hour days, with 1 day off for wages far lower.
I guess it stems from the fact that developers are one of the few groups which CAN dictate some things. We do forget that other jobs come with 14 hour shifts, no breaks, no health insurance, and constantly being on-call for a 5th of the salary. That doesn't mean that devs shouldn't push for decent conditions though. Also, while devs "have it good," it's nothing near what lawyers and doctors made, so before patting ou…
The other part of the argument is programming doesn't scale the same way. A sleep deprived waiter can fulfill his tasks while a programmer cannot perform on the same acceptable par.
Re: 996.icu, Chinese programmers against working overtime gathering on GitHub
#13I wonder why developers think they need special protections that other workers do not have. It is not uncommon for waiters to work 12 hour days, with 1 day off for wages far lower.
I wish I could work 12 hour days. :P
It really build discipline, and work ethic that non model citizens envy. Not losing social credit is just a thoughtful bonus.
Re: 996.icu, Chinese programmers against working overtime gathering on GitHub
#14As a Chinese developers, 996 is an unspoken rule around in IT companies. When I got interviewed, HR would always ask whether I was OK with 996.
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#15996 contributes to brain drain as well. I know several American-educated Chinese engineers whose primary motivation for working in America rather than back home is because they get a sane work-life balance.
It depends. Many top and ambitious talents did go back to China because they may get higher pay and have a higher chance of becoming billionaires. Average Joes like me tend to stay in the US because everything is much easier and less competitive.
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#16mainstream views of a small chinese forum are as follows:
The programers are textile women in the new era.
such a weak resisting.
other workers even work harder and receive less and they said nothing, why these programers so delicate?
and so on
Re: 996.icu, Chinese programmers against working overtime gathering on GitHub
#17996 contributes to brain drain as well. I know several American-educated Chinese engineers whose primary motivation for working in America rather than back home is because they get a sane work-life balance.
It depends. Many top and ambitious talents did go back to China because they may get higher pay and have a higher chance of becoming billionaires. Average Joes like me tend to stay in the US because everything is much easier and less competitive.
LOL
Re: 996.icu, Chinese programmers against working overtime gathering on GitHub
#18I wonder why developers think they need special protections that other workers do not have. It is not uncommon for waiters to work 12 hour days, with 1 day off for wages far lower.
I guess it stems from the fact that developers are one of the few groups which CAN dictate some things. We do forget that other jobs come with 14 hour shifts, no breaks, no health insurance, and constantly being on-call for a 5th of the salary. That doesn't mean that devs shouldn't push for decent conditions though. Also, while devs "have it good," it's nothing near what lawyers and doctors made, so before patting ou…
devps use brains a lot
Re: 996.icu, Chinese programmers against working overtime gathering on GitHub
#19996 contributes to brain drain as well. I know several American-educated Chinese engineers whose primary motivation for working in America rather than back home is because they get a sane work-life balance.
It depends. Many top and ambitious talents did go back to China because they may get higher pay and have a higher chance of becoming billionaires. Average Joes like me tend to stay in the US because everything is much easier and less competitive.
>Many top and ambitious talents did go back to China because they may get higher pay and have a higher chance of becoming billionaires.
This is true. The people I know in this category are typically in leadership positions, e.g. scientists under the thousand talents program.
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#20Jesus - its now by stars the number 4 repo in all of GitHub after… 1 week