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Please Keep JavaScript Dumb

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Re: Please Keep JavaScript Dumb

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IT is brutal. You either evolve or you die. If JS didn't introduce new features, it would be just replaced with the "next big thing" that introduces things. Arrow functions, classes and promises don't make things more complicated. They are added to make things more readable

I sympathize and resonate with the author. While for me, the JS language features are still manageable. What has outgrown me are the layers upon layers of abstractions used in modern JS app, like React/Redux/... We no longer have a straightforward, plain JS app. To understand the code, we have to 'see through' the thick layers of frameworkds/middleware. Modern JS app is becoming as ugly as J2EE last time used to be.

This really reads like it was written by someone who does not know how React and Redux are used. Both of those libraries are incredibly straightforward and minimal in their functionality — orders of magnitude less complex and multifaceted than something like Hibernate or Spring. When you compare a React app with something written with what JS “used” to be (vanilla JS with browser hacks, jQuery, Backbone) the number of hacks or workarounds per line of code in the React app is much lower in my experience.

Re: Please Keep JavaScript Dumb

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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I disagree. Arrow functions are unnecessary syntactic sugar, and, like much of ES6, feel like the language adding opinionation. Enterprise codebases I work on are locked to ES5 and scale to 100k+ lines. These codebases cannot afford to layer on every new JS "innovation" and hope to remain consistent across 7+ years (the average lifespan of an enterprise app) and multiple develope…

Just because you are locked into the enterprise troglodyte mindset doesn’t mean the rest of the world has to remain living in the past.

Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post like this to HN.

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Re: Please Keep JavaScript Dumb

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I disagree. Arrow functions are unnecessary syntactic sugar, and, like much of ES6, feel like the language adding opinionation. Enterprise codebases I work on are locked to ES5 and scale to 100k+ lines. These codebases cannot afford to layer on every new JS "innovation" and hope to remain consistent across 7+ years (the average lifespan of an enterprise app) and multiple develope…

> Arrow functions are unnecessary syntactic sugar Unnecessary is a matter of taste. Most don't like having to bring out `.bind()` or inside of the function using `let that = this`.

Whoever thinks it's easier to understand the this scope because they have to explicitly declare it must just like to not learn better methods to program.

const that = this;

Re: Please Keep JavaScript Dumb

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Folks, Understand all of you. But what can I say is to wait, keep calm, let all the fancy new comer like Angular, React and Vue going ahead. Wait and it will be sure, in 2 years, everybody, everybody write all their stuff in their known language and only compile it down to native, web-assembly. Gheers.
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