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Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by duxup »

tus87 wrote: post #9

Translation: the deep state is very concerned the internet allows people to bypass the establishment media and create influence that affects the outcomes of democratic elections in ways that upset the elite.

What do you mean by "deep state"?

I've seen it used so casually and often that feel like that has become a meaningless phrase that amounts to "anything established in any way, anywhere, that I don't like and I wish to add a negative connotation to those things, people, or whatever I don't like".

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by RandomInteger4 »

_rpd wrote: post #25
marcrosoft wrote: post #17

The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

> data portability Making the friend/family graph portable would allow others to compete with Facebook. What's the state of the discussion on how to do this sensibly?

Technically the data is already portable. It just requires a motivated developer to create a program to parse the files that Facebook let's you download with all your Facebook information. That's not difficult.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by umvi »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #14
qnsi wrote: post #2

Facebook gets a lot of slack here on HN, and I share some critisism, but find this article by Zuckerberg is a step in right direction. One only hopes there is some free room for small companies from regulation, so this helpful regulation doesnt end as a moat for FB and others.

Did you mean to write 'Facebook gets a lot of flack '? That would seem to make more sense given the rest of the sentence.

Also, it's "flak" (shortened form of German word for anti aircraft cannon) not "flack".

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by RandomInteger4 »

umvi wrote: post #33
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you mean to write 'Facebook gets a lot of flack '? That would seem to make more sense given the rest of the sentence.

Also, it's "flak" (shortened form of German word for anti aircraft cannon) not "flack".

phlaque

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by MagicPropmaker »

ams6110 wrote: post #10

Classic regulatory capture play. Create regulations so onerous that only a company with the resources of Facebook can operate under their restrictions. Lock in your dominant position. No small competitor can get a foot in the door.

This is exactly it, and happens in every other industry.

The big players will push for regulations, licencing, and standard, ensuring that their next competitor can't come from a few smart people tinkering in their garage or their dorm room.

A good example is the toy industry, where requirements for chemical and safety tests which cost tens of thousands of dollars per SKU, keep mom and pop shops making wooden toys from their garage. (Well, they do anyway, but can be stopped at any time if they get too big.)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by mindgam3 »

The guy who broke every single rule in his ruthless conquest of the internet is now asking for new rules. You have to admire the sheer audacity of this play.

It does make sense though. He can finally see the tide of public opinion turning against him. Facebook's business metrics will be fine for a while but the pace at which they are losing people's trust is increasing. He needed to make a grand statement now while there are still large swaths of the population that view him as somewhat credible.

[Edit]

Also note the timing. This op-ed comes literally one day after Facebook made headlines for "mistakenly deleting" a bunch of Zuckerberg's early posts, including all his posts from 2007-2008. Which is completely absurd on the face of it. (Yesterday's HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19527200)

Luckily, one way to ensure people don't ask too many questions about this story is to make some new headlines. Sure enough, google news is linking yesterday's story and today's post under the same "Full Coverage" page. As I write this, the "mistaken deletion" story is indeed getting buried under the avalanche of new coverage:

https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqOQgKIjNDQklTSURvSmMzUnZj...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by [deleted] »

marcrosoft wrote: post #17

The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by [deleted] »

umvi wrote: post #33
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you mean to write 'Facebook gets a lot of flack '? That would seem to make more sense given the rest of the sentence.

Also, it's "flak" (shortened form of German word for anti aircraft cannon) not "flack".

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

umvi wrote: post #33
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you mean to write 'Facebook gets a lot of flack '? That would seem to make more sense given the rest of the sentence.

Also, it's "flak" (shortened form of German word for anti aircraft cannon) not "flack".

Some dictionaries seem to have me believe either is correct.

You’re right as far as the origin goes though.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by aestetix »

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy.

Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies.

[1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

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