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Re: The anti crunch hours license

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In the best job I ever had in my life, my boss basically told me that she didn't care about the hours I kept or how long I worked every day as long as I got my job done. I usually showed up to work at 12pm and left around 4pm. It ended up being one of the most productive times of my life. I created products that had hundreds of millions of dollars worth of impact on the company bottom line. In my immediate next job I…

That's a pretty cool arrangement. How was "getting job done" defined? My experience as a developer is that there is always something to do. So where is the line drawn?

There will always be something to do and you just have to draw a line somewhere. In my experience once you have successfully delivered a few projects with high efficiency and people trust/respect you, they stop asking questions.

Re: The anti crunch hours license

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In the best job I ever had in my life, my boss basically told me that she didn't care about the hours I kept or how long I worked every day as long as I got my job done. I usually showed up to work at 12pm and left around 4pm. It ended up being one of the most productive times of my life. I created products that had hundreds of millions of dollars worth of impact on the company bottom line. In my immediate next job I…

Does this work best if your work is well-planned by someone else? E.g., you have a list of prioritized tickets with requirements complete, and can just code down the list? I work 32h/wk (mon-thu), and I feel happy with my productivity, but also recognize that I spend tons of time in meetings, clarifying requirements, helping other devs, etc. These aren't all really my role, so I could theoretically optimize them away…

Can someone with team lead/management responsibilities optimize for 'job done' this aggressively?

I will have an answer for you in a month because I am going to start trying this strategy out in my current job starting this week. :)

Re: The anti crunch hours license

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post #31

In the best job I ever had in my life, my boss basically told me that she didn't care about the hours I kept or how long I worked every day as long as I got my job done. I usually showed up to work at 12pm and left around 4pm. It ended up being one of the most productive times of my life. I created products that had hundreds of millions of dollars worth of impact on the company bottom line. In my immediate next job I…

> In the best job I ever had in my life, my boss basically told me that she didn't care about the hours I kept or how long I worked every day as long as I got my job done. I usually showed up to work at 12pm and left around 4pm. Did you have to interact with anyone? I can imagine this can be challenging if another person you need to interact with follows the same principle with a 7am to 11am schedule.

Correct. A large part of this arrangement is an implicit be an adult understanding. So if such a scenario came up, I'd work out an arrangement with the other person where we could overlap some time as frequently as we need to.

Re: The anti crunch hours license

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"People"? Most people I know do actually mean the OSD. Most of my friends do, and certainly all my employers that have had open-source processes do—I can't necessarily use that process to release code to a weird non-OSD-compliant license just because the source is visible under some conditions. (Also, "people" use the word "copyright" when they mean "trademark", and post "No copyright intended" on their YouTube video…

You are assuming they do, but they likely don't. Counter example for this is SQLite. Almost everyone considers it open source, presumably even you. Lots of projects that embed it are considered open source. SQLite, however, is not OSI open source and none of the projects that embed it can be OSI open source either. And it's ok, because people generally don't think of open source as something with OSI approved license…

SQLite is not open-source. In fact, they actively sell licenses for a one-time fee of $6000. https://www.hwaci.com/cgi-bin/license-step1

Re: The anti crunch hours license

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I support the general idea of not having to work 12 hours a day for 6 days. That's crazy. But there are other venues for labour activism than changing the license. And in other Chinese industries that aren't related to software at all, labour activism is quite successful as well. So there is no need to resort to license changes. As for your PS, there is no indication that it's a protest and not just a license.

> there are other venues for labour activism than changing the license.

This argument would work just as well for all of these other venues. That there's something else you could be doing is not a valid argument against doing the thing that you are doing.

"Why strike when you could change software licenses?"

Re: The anti crunch hours license

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Personally I don’t find “everyone is doing this so it must be rational” a very convincing argument. After all, maybe everyone else followed that same weak argument.

But conversely how do you think everyone arrived at an unsafe practice particular to just these doctors who do handovers and no others? And why do you think they’re campaigning themselves to bring them back for safety in the UK?

All of these countries didn't independently discover medicine, and they do speak with each other i.e. they share a culture. Why do they all dress the same, why are so many addressed with a title in front of their names, and why do they all seem to refer to a lot of things in Latin?

We can choose to think that they independently arrived at an ideal state, but that's not reasonable.

Re: The anti crunch hours license

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Pretty much every hospital globally. Its not great for the doctors, but if you're a patient with an acute problem its much better to have the same few doctors working keeping watch over you than a brand new doctor every 8 hours coming on board that doesn't know anything about why you're there.

There's probably a more optimal solution then either a current 8h handoff, or a zombie caring for you. However, doctoring, as profession, is a conservative one, and is highly resistant to process improvements. It took decades of effort, and decades of trivial mistakes (wrong organs removed, surgical instruments left inside patients when they are sewn up) to get the profession to even consider that maybe, maybe, check…

The difference between the safety culture in medicine and the safety culture in aviation is incredible.

Re: The anti crunch hours license

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You are assuming they do, but they likely don't. Counter example for this is SQLite. Almost everyone considers it open source, presumably even you. Lots of projects that embed it are considered open source. SQLite, however, is not OSI open source and none of the projects that embed it can be OSI open source either. And it's ok, because people generally don't think of open source as something with OSI approved license…

SQLite is not open-source. In fact, they actively sell licenses for a one-time fee of $6000. https://www.hwaci.com/cgi-bin/license-step1

What part of the Open Source Definition does selling a license violate?

Re: The anti crunch hours license

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's probably a more optimal solution then either a current 8h handoff, or a zombie caring for you. However, doctoring, as profession, is a conservative one, and is highly resistant to process improvements. It took decades of effort, and decades of trivial mistakes (wrong organs removed, surgical instruments left inside patients when they are sewn up) to get the profession to even consider that maybe, maybe, check…

The difference between the safety culture in medicine and the safety culture in aviation is incredible.

I'm assuming it has something to do with the fact that if a plane crashes, the pilot dies. Doctors rarely operate on themselves.

Re: The anti crunch hours license

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Is this kind of lisence enforcement possible? Any prior art?

This _type_ of license? Maybe. Depends on jurisdiction.

_This_ license? Probably not.

Making your own license is hard. The best advice is probably don't try unless you're a licensing expert or have unlimited access to one.

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